what exactly is so morally repugnant about Iran. The US is nominally allied with Saudi Arabia.

what is the obsession with hammering trump with every little thing he says

This is a very good point I don't disagree with! I was just seeking to speak to conservatives here in a language they would understand.

Santa Clause isn't known for bringing basic needs like food, healthcare, and a common way to communicate to people of all-ages- he is know to bring toys for children and...

The claims of "Southern heritage" ring hollow. I was born and raised in the south, and there are a lot of things to be proud of. But none of those things are related to the Civil War, which was a colossal mistake on both humanitarian and self-preservation grounds. It's one thing to have muted respect for soldiers who fell in battle, but it's quite another to wave a battle flag that is far more associated with racism, segregation and bigotry than it ever was with the positive aspects of southern society.

A lot of southerners have been fooled by the lost cause revisionism that tells them that slavery was a minor issue. There's a whole rewriting of history that has does nothing but stunt the development of the south. The people I know who care a lot about confederate monuments have a great deal of racial prejudice. I'm sure some good people have been duped, though. And that's one of the reasons that we need to their them all down.

The modern "confederate flag" was never actually the flag of the confederacy, although it's based on (but not identical to) one particular confederate battle flag. There was, however, more than one battle flag. The modern version was introduced in 1948 explicitly as a racist response by Dixiecrats against the inclusion of a civil rights platform in the Democratic party. So not only is it true that the confederacy and the civil war was about slavery (cf. the speeches of Alexander Stephens), but also that the modern usage of the confederate flag is directly symbolic of opposition to the civil rights movement. Some southerners may be ignorant of that history, but the solution to that problem is for them to learn it.

See also: http://www.historynet.com/embattled-...erate-flag.htm

I know someone who has an "Obama" phone, at least that is what she calls it. Next time I see her I will ask her how she went about getting it if I get a chance. IIRC it had a limited number of minutes and they are supposed to use it for finding a job which she was doing. Pretty bare bones type of cell phone. Doesn't seem like a big deal.

Your link is about Obama phones not about Iran.

Thanks, must not have put the new one on my clipboard - here's the Iran link.

Oh my God this dude just cited an article showing that

i.e. wasn't said by LBJ, also it makes no ****ing sense in context at the time but ABSOLUTELY makes sense in terms of race baiting about mid-90s welfare reform.

Edit; JiggyMac no more repeating that claim please and take more care on anything similar. Fly, making your points about the claim is fine but confine your posts to that please

I don't think I need The Atlantic to interpret the Moynihan report for me.

Even the Brookings Institute (with it's liberal bias) recognizes the three keys to join the middle class - https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/t...-middle-class/

1) Finish High School
2) Get a full time job
3) Wait until you're 21 to get married and have kids.

The point of the Moynihan report was that the 25% out of wedlock rates at the time were a crisis, now it's up to 70% - WITH our ass backward social programs in place. The policies of the Left are only working to keep the Left in power, not helping the people they're designed to help.

It is so repugnant to the moral about Iran. This is a nominal ally United States and Saudi Arabia. ACE, he is obsessed with every little thing.

White House Office of Special Counsel concludes that Trump's social media director violated the Hatch Act

Aaaand now Tillerson is openly contradicting his president, who is of course clueless about world affairs

#WINNING

"As a result, Scavino was issued a warning letter"

Awww, poor guy. Wonder if he'll frame it?

Qatar - the place that was using slave labor to build their FIFA stadium - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I, that place?

I thought we hated slavery, I'm confused now.

This is called pacing and leading. Watch and learn.

lol, this applies even more now:

So, in goofy's world, Qatar are good dudes now? Your shifting goalposts are hard to track.

What goalposts have shifted? I highly doubt your understanding of what that means is correct.

I will explain this to you in simple terms.

Qatar is a bad place. They used slave labor and corruption in order to host the World Cup (in a ****ing dessert no less) - which is something even Leftists can hate. Then of course we get into their funding of terrorism.

Trump asks the Middle East, who's the worst of the worst, where do we start? Qatar? Ok - boom! Trump takes the leadership position and agrees with everyone "they're bad dudes". Now he sends in Tillerson to pace the rest of the region in getting Qatar to clean up its act and rejoin the world community. Watch and learn.

Who are bigger supporters of terror, Sunni or Shia?

theres needs to be a 3rd way, ibadi will conquer all

Uhhhh as even your conservative friend BitchiBee pointed out earlier ITT, Qatar isn't the worst of the worst. Saudi Arabia is far more worrisome, but they're allies of ours, so they get a free pass.

Rather than the situation you describe, what actually happened here is
- Trump ran his mouth on something he knows nothing about
- other officials have to come in to try to repair the damage

Yeah, lol. Saudi Arabia may indeed be the worst of the worst, including North Korea. Qatar is terrible though. They are both worse than Iran.

Do you think Tillerson should step down for supporting slavery? Or do you think it's okay for the Secretary of State to support slavery?

Even that is being too generous: Qatar was also an ally. Saudi Arabia did throw a very nice party for Trump though.

As likely as anything, it isn't anything more about Trump than that the US doesn't have a unified foreign policy right now and so is too weak to tell SA to stop. The Saudi's have a very good understanding of the DC foreign policy establishment and could have realized this and taken advantage of the opening.