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06-03-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Trump's promises to deliver high-wage coal mining and manufacturing jobs to the Midwest; how are they working out?

Also, it's funny to watch the right knock "NY and CA" as if they don't count. Combined, these two states alone account for 22.5% of this country's GDP and a similar percentage of our federal tax dollars. If conservative patriots from God-grits-and-guns red states don't see them as "real America", perhaps they should give back the contributions they're sucking off of us.
These two states account for about 90% of the loonie left. What Trump did in this election was amazing. Look at all the states he flipped. You folks even had all the actors and musicians on your side. Not to mention way more money. He had the Pussy grabbing incedent, women accusing him of sexual misconduct( you don't here much about that anymore..hmm!), etc etc.

And you still lost....I still get chills.

I don't care if your QB threw for 400 yards. My QB threw for 300 yards and won the game. I'm seriously getting a semi thinking about it.

Anyways, thanks again for bringing up the "She won the popular vote" argument. I love reliving that night.
06-03-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Trump's promises to deliver high-wage coal mining and manufacturing jobs to the Midwest; how are they working out?
Citation needed.


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Also, it's funny to watch the right knock "NY and CA" as if they don't count. Combined, these two states alone account for 22.5% of this country's GDP and a similar percentage of our federal tax dollars. If conservative patriots from God-grits-and-guns red states don't see them as "real America", perhaps they should give back the contributions they're sucking off of us.
Citation needed.
06-03-2017 , 10:35 PM
This article featuring many of Donald Trump's famous quotes calling climate change a hoax highlights the particular reasons why his administration is suddenly quite mum on the issue of whether or not the president of the United States believes in climate change:

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But administration officials clearly saw no benefit in clarifying. If they affirmed that he still believed climate change to be fake, they would expose him to even more criticism at home and abroad and complicate the lives of those advisers who accept the broad scientific consensus. If they asserted that he had changed his mind and now agreed that climate change is real, then they would have to explain a flip-flop while risking criticism from his own base.
Only with USA#1's Republican party does one become hesitant to publicly believe in climate change, lest they pay a political price for it
06-03-2017 , 10:38 PM
A sample of his past views on the subject:

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Global warming has been proven to be a canard repeatedly over and over again. http://on.wsj.com/H7ob9d The left needs a dose of reality.
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The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
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Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee - I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!
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Any and all weather events are used by the GLOBAL WARMING HOAXSTERS to justify higher taxes to save our planet! They don't believe it $$$$!
06-03-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
I think it's nearly impossible to measure with precision, with that said if you think the concept of the good ole boy network doesn't exist then I don't know what to tell u
Oh, absolutely not. Lol @ "impossible to measure with precision". Do you know how statistics​ actually work?

It's the same thing as when looking at all that white racism. They only measure whites and their bias. Why do they never compare it to other racial bias? It's because the only thing that matters to the liberal agenda is the white bias.

Good ole boy network. Lol. GTFO with that crap. Medicine used to be 90%+ male dominated. It's now 50/50. Engineering is dominated by males. Ask yourself why? The patriarchy?

Go look at countries with very few options in societal advancement, like India. Women make up more in the fields that are typically male dominated. Why? Go look at the Nordic countries, where choice is wide open and people may choose whatever they wish and be relatively fine in terms of outcome. The numbers skew outrageously. It's the exact opposite of what people like you'd expect. Why? What's causing these people to make these choices?

Do you have anything even close to a clue of what you are taking about, or do you just like throwing these ridiculous ideas out there just for the lolz?

What you're saying is absurdly ignorant and blatantly untrue. So much so it's embarrassing.
06-03-2017 , 10:44 PM
In leaving the Paris accord, Trump snubbed the business community whose advice he promised to value:

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A climate expert and two former CEOs alike said the amount of unity chief executives showed on the Paris pact -- and vocally so -- was unusual, if not unprecedented. "This is as close as America ever gets to a unified business position on any issue," said Ted Halstead, a founder of the think tank New America and the Climate Leadership Council, a research and advocacy organization launched in February. "There are no parties that are better situated to speak with authority on what's good for the economy, what's good for jobs, and what's good for innovation and competitiveness" than the CEOs of America's largest companies, he said, calling Trump's move a "profound contradiction."

When it came to making his decision on the Paris accord, Trump "ignored many voices. But the most surprising is that he ignored the business voices."
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The CEOs made a business case rather than simply an environmental or moral one, going beyond calls for American leadership or sustainability and laying out how exiting the accord would hurt their companies' competitiveness on the global stage and cost American jobs. But in the end, even they didn't have enough sway.
Aside from being a phenomenally stupid decision, it won't help Trump's future relationships with the business community:

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Trump's rejection of many CEOs' advice on the Paris issue could affect his clout among them, said Bill George, the former CEO of Medtronic who is now a professor at Harvard Business School. "It reduces his power to lead among the business community, and clearly, globally," he said. The decision could carry over into his persuasiveness on other priorities, too, George said. "It's going to hurt his ability, in my opinion, to influence CEOs to produce more in the U.S. They're going to say 'we're going to have to do what we're going to do.' "
06-03-2017 , 10:50 PM
And lastly for now, Trump's pulling out leaves a huge opportunity for China to fill a leadership vacuum in the world

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His decision is perhaps the greatest strategic gift to the Chinese, who are eager to fill the void that Washington is leaving around the world on everything from setting the rules of trade and environmental standards to financing the infrastructure projects that give Beijing vast influence.

Mr. Trump’s remarks in the Rose Garden on Thursday were also a retreat from leadership on the one issue, climate change, that unified America’s European allies, its rising superpower competitor in the Pacific, and even some of its adversaries, including Iran. He did it over the objections of much of the American business community and his secretary of state, Rex W. Tillerson, who embraced the Paris accord when he ran Exxon Mobil, less out of a sense of moral responsibility and more as part of the new price of doing business around the world.
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Mr. Xi is no free trader, and his nation has overtaken the United States as the greatest emitter of carbon by a factor of two. Only three years ago, it was a deal between Mr. Obama and Mr. Xi that laid the groundwork for what became the broader Paris agreement.

Yet for months the Chinese president has been stepping unto the breach, including giving speeches at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that made it sound like China alone was ready to adopt the role of global standard-setter that Washington has occupied since the end of World War II.
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That sentiment was evident on Thursday in Berlin. Just hours before Mr. Trump spoke, China’s premier, Li Keqiang, stood alongside Ms. Merkel, and used careful words as he described China as a champion of the accord. China believed that fighting climate change was an “international responsibility,” Mr. Li said, the kind of declaration that American diplomats have made for years when making the case to combat terrorism or nuclear proliferation or hunger.

China has long viewed the possibility of a partnership with Europe as a balancing strategy against the United States. Now, with Mr. Trump questioning the basis of NATO, the Chinese are hoping that their partnership with Europe on the climate accord may allow that relationship to come to fruition faster than their grand strategy imagined.
06-03-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
These two states account for about 90% of the loonie left. What Trump did in this election was amazing. Look at all the states he flipped. You folks even had all the actors and musicians on your side. Not to mention way more money. He had the Pussy grabbing incedent, women accusing him of sexual misconduct( you don't here much about that anymore..hmm!), etc etc.

And you still lost....I still get chills.

I don't care if your QB threw for 400 yards. My QB threw for 300 yards and won the game. I'm seriously getting a semi thinking about it.

Anyways, thanks again for bringing up the "She won the popular vote" argument. I love reliving that night.
Almost everyone here whose ragging on trump has also been critical of hillary, some even more so.

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I was discussion Hillaries claim that she won the popular vote as if that somehow matters. We have a system that attempts to atleast make the President have a wide base of support and to not make the rural irrelevant vs the urban. Hillary stacking up urban votes while ignoring the swing states was a stupid strategy, trump crushed her electorally.
Personally i think people living on boats should have their own electoral representation. I for one am sick of all ye land faring people drowning out their voices just because there's so few of them.
06-04-2017 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Bizarre that BroadwaySushy is a Brit. How the hell are you a nationalist for some other country?

I guess Trump is a nationalist for Putin, Erdogan and Dutarte. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. I guess you guys stick together.
How can you always get it so wrong?

But hey man, I'm a hillbilly at heart. Here's one for the rust-belters.


06-04-2017 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
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Originally Posted by microbet
Bizarre that BroadwaySushy is a Brit. How the hell are you a nationalist for some other country?

I guess Trump is a nationalist for Putin, Erdogan and Dutarte. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. I guess you guys stick together.
Even more bizarre that you continue to make all these assumptions about me as if they are fact.
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
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Originally Posted by microbet
Bizarre that BroadwaySushy is a Brit. How the hell are you a nationalist for some other country?

I guess Trump is a nationalist for Putin, Erdogan and Dutarte. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. I guess you guys stick together.
How can you always get it so wrong?

But hey man, I'm a hillbilly at heart. Here's one for the rust-belters.
I think we broke Sushy, or his algorithm messed up, or the shill accounts switched or something - he completely forgot that he already responded to this 3-day-old post! WTF, who does that?
06-04-2017 , 07:28 AM
Lot of things happened in the news last week, and it all helped Trump.

The left continues it's meltdown and they cannibalize each other.

Not looking good, "liberals"!
06-04-2017 , 12:58 PM
at this point even if you don't like trump you should just bet on his election in 2020. I think its at +550 rn. its just +ev
06-04-2017 , 01:45 PM
I don't like Trumps chances but I don't see the democrats winning. The leadership won't do anything but sell this delusional conspiracy theory as the reason they lost. The party is a joke. It's fractured and absurdly dysfunctional. If it were an animal the humane thing to do would be to take a shotgun to it.
06-04-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Lot of things happened in the news last week, and it all helped Trump.

The left continues it's meltdown and they cannibalize each other.

Not looking good, "liberals"!
For a view of the past week based more in fact and less on how you feel at a given moment in time, you could look at Trump's approval tumbling to new lows, but that doesn't make Trump look good so you will of course dismiss it.
06-04-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
These two states account for about 90% of the loonie left. What Trump did in this election was amazing. Look at all the states he flipped. You folks even had all the actors and musicians on your side. Not to mention way more money. He had the Pussy grabbing incedent, women accusing him of sexual misconduct( you don't here much about that anymore..hmm!), etc etc.

And you still lost....I still get chills.

I don't care if your QB threw for 400 yards. My QB threw for 300 yards and won the game. I'm seriously getting a semi thinking about it.

Anyways, thanks again for bringing up the "She won the popular vote" argument. I love reliving that night.
No, they don't.

And, enjoy your semi, which apparently will go well with being an old, uneducated mope who's been taught by FauxNews to blame all his life failures on blacks/Mexicans/Muslims/feminists/gay marriage/abortion. Don't worry, I'm sure Trump will fix them any day now. Right after he's done with the wall and vanquishing ISIS.
06-04-2017 , 02:02 PM
adios is the forum poster version of a poker player that would hit and run heads up tables. He will not be back to respond to those citations, let alone read them.
06-04-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I agree. Healthcare will not be better under Trump. I agree it was a lie. I accept it.
So, ISIS not defeated, no improvements on healthcare, no wall, no decrease in violence against cops, no economic growth, no imprisonment of Clinton, no coal mining and manufacturing jobs, no religious freedom laws.

He's really hitting it out of the park when it comes to delivering on promises to his base. But hey, as long as they can now add "MAGA!" to their online rants about Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, it was all worth it.
06-04-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
For a view of the past week based more in fact and less on how you feel at a given moment in time, you could look at Trump's approval tumbling to new lows, but that doesn't make Trump look good so you will of course dismiss it.
Heh. Its truly funny what you people come up with.

George h bush had one of the highest approval ratings ever and lost the next election to Bill Clinton.

Trump had the worse ratings of all time and became president of the united States.

You'd be better off using their 100 meter dash stats.
06-04-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Heh. Its truly funny what you people come up with.

George h bush had one of the highest approval ratings ever and lost the next election to Bill Clinton.
Looks like it was in the mid 50s when he lost the election, not like that's crazy high or anything.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
Trump had the worse ratings of all time and became president of the united States.
This is false, as Trump did not have an approval rating prior to taking office. You're thinking of favorable/unfavorable, which is of course not the same thing.

The only thing that's "truly funny" here is the completely predictable tack you're taking of denying any empirical way to measure whether anything's actually good for Trump; you say it's good for Trump, therefore it is. Any measures that disagree with this are thrown out, because what you feel is what's most important here.

That is, more generally, the GOP's response to any kind of empirical reality it dislikes in a nutshell.
06-04-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Looks like it was in the mid 50s when he lost the election, not like that's crazy high or anything.
Lol. Dude, do you have any idea what you are talking about? You are talking non-stop nonsense. We are 5 months into Trump's presidency and you're talking about approval ratings, then when I bring up approval ratings you cherry pick the numbers you want. Here ya go, take a long, hard look and please report back with your EXPERT OPINION on what approval ratings at the 5 month mark mean ;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/pr...cs-trends.aspx

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This is false, as Trump did not have an approval rating prior to taking office. You're thinking of favorable/unfavorable, which is of course not the same thing.
Sure. Lol.


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The only thing that's "truly funny" here is the completely predictable tack you're taking of denying any empirical way to measure whether anything's actually good for Trump; you say it's good for Trump, therefore it is. Any measures that disagree with this are thrown out, because what you feel is what's most important here.

That is, more generally, the GOP's response to any kind of empirical reality it dislikes in a nutshell
What's truly funny is you lost to this man.

Pretty easily, too. And continue to do so. Let me give you a little hint here, buddy : it's going to get a lot, lot worse for your side.
06-04-2017 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Citation needed.




Citation needed.
Heh. That's not even the most telling statistic.

Blue states crush red states in terms of GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

21 of 25 states in the bottom half of GDP per capita voted for Trump.

21 of 25 states in the bottom half of GDP per capita have Republican governors.
06-04-2017 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Lol. Dude, do you have any idea what you are talking about? You are talking non-stop nonsense. We are 5 months into Trump's presidency and you're talking about approval ratings, then when I bring up approval ratings you cherry pick the numbers you want. Here ya go, take a long, hard look and please report back with your EXPERT OPINION on what approval ratings at the 5 month mark mean ;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/pr...cs-trends.aspx
That's the same page I looked at before making my post, and I didn't cherry pick anything; I correctly cited his approval ratings at the time of the election, since your whole point was "he had good approval ratings and then he lost". His approval ratings were good but not great at the time he lost the election.

If your entire point is simply that a lot can happen before the next election, sure, you're right, and I never disagreed! His ratings might go up, or they might go down, or they might stay the same. But we're getting a bit off track from where we started, which is when you said "the past week of news has all been good for Trump" which is a bit curious to reconcile with the fact that the American public appears to like Trump slightly less, and at a rate lower than any point in his young presidency so far, than they did at the start of the week.

You want to shift the goalposts now to "well that doesn't mean he won't get re-elected" because, as always, you will do and say absolutely anything to avoid looking like you're wrong.
06-04-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Let me give you a little hint here, buddy : it's going to get a lot, lot worse for your side.
And a lot, lot worse for poor people and a lot, lot worse for Muslims and a lot, lot worse for the environment, to name but three things, all of which you, newly unmasked as a far right supporter, clearly relish.
06-04-2017 , 04:07 PM
GHWB saw the economy falter, thus erasing any goodwill he'd earned as a result of a quick Gulf War victory, plus the American public was bound to become bored after 12 straight years of Republican White House occupancy.

      
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