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05-17-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I've answered this question from you at least 3 times previously. It's not clear to me why I should expect that it's worth answering it for the fourth time when you've never shown any interest in the answers before.
05-17-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Of course there can be disagreement that lower taxes is good. Also, it seems likely that Trump is so incompetent that tax reform will never get done.



Not really; I'm more asking about your support for him now. I'm not trying to vilify you for your choice on election day; that serves no purpose. I'm interested in the now. And I think that it is now extremely obvious that Trump is extremely incompetent and stupid. I would expect this concern to override any alignment you may have with him on policy issues.



Okay, yes, we agree. Doesn't this concern you?



What do you like about Pence? Are you religious?



Could you expand on which ones you are happy (and not happy) with, and why?



Why? I mean, I think this answer is a little more self-explanatory and you are just going to say "because he's a conservative" in which case, fine, I guess, from the standpoint of the election. But again, I'm much more interested in whether and why you support Trump now, not whether you think you made the right choice at election time.

Also, do you endorse the GOPs tactics re: Merrick Garland?



But you admitted that you "see lots of incompetence." Don't you think that makes him dangerous? He has an incredibly important job. Note, I do not mean this solely in the realm of foreign policy although that is certainly a focus.





What in the **** do you think putting a tax increase in a healthcare bill does if not tell the rich we are going to take more of their money via higher taxes to pay for the poors' health care? Like, what would it look like if it weren't a "transfer of wealth" in your eyes?



I don't actually know the relative tax rates of the "poor" and the "rich" and it's going to depend a lot on how you categorize the two but capital gains tax rates are obviously what is being referred to here.



Uh, what? Having more money would make them not poor, and then they would be better off because they are not poor. Like, what are you talking about?




Dirt poor Chinese are not successful; they are dirt poor.



I'm not going to express an opinion about whether your conclusion here is right or wrong but you realize your personal anecdote is not very strong evidence right?


The thousand-yard stare. A Marine gets it after he's been in the s**t for too long. It's like you've really seen...beyond. I got it. All field Marines got it. You'll have it, too.
05-17-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Poor people don't pay federal taxes.
They don't pay social security or FICA taxes? You are teaching people more how the tax system works!
05-17-2017 , 08:46 PM



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Originally Posted by wil318466
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This may actually​ be true, as far as that specific group is concerned. They are lumped into the "Asian" category, even though I only think of Asians being East Asian.


Yep, there is some truth here. In many ways people despise "thugs" and "thuggish" behavior. That translates into disproportionately disliking blacks who may portray that behavior/persona, I agree. But I also would point out people like Aaron Hernandez is almost universally hated due to his behavior, not his race. People don't like thugs or people who act like thugs, I'm with you.


I disagree that the left, in general, blames black failure on white racism. It's a constant theme. The left and the right want the same things - success in the black community. I've said it before and I'll say it again - black failure isn't a black problem, it's an American problem and it needs to be addressed. I grow tired and angry watching Black kids dying in the streets and throwing their lives away. It drives me crazy. What I don't do is blame white people for that.
05-17-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
My God.
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Originally Posted by 5ive

The thousand-yard stare. A Marine gets it after he's been in the s**t for too long. It's like you've really seen...beyond. I got it. All field Marines got it. You'll have it, too.

05-17-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
They are also traits that someone who believes the government killed 3,000 American citizens and who constantly harangues people who don't share that belief MAY have a glass house situation regarding.

But again, that's just Deuces making **** up, what moral depravity did the emails reveal from Hillary?
I don't believe the government killed 3000 people on 9/11. Making **** up is your specialty Fly, not mine.

Lying to people about your positions when you are that powerful is complete moral depravity. Her emails revealed she held different private and public positions. She basically admits to being something like a highly paid actor, conning people into thinking she believes in democracy while secretly doing the bidding of the super rich in exchange for money/power.

Do you challenge that she said she holds private and public positions on the same policies or that behaving in such a hugely fraudulent manner is morally depraved?
05-17-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Love Sosa
Looks like the zionists finally got to trump. I'm off the Trump train!
I am fiercely against the Israeli government. What they are doing to the Palestinians is unconscionably inhumane.

That said, had Trump come out anti-Israel it would have, in his special case, been a significant indication that he was antisemitic. Who knows. Maybe Trump has it all planned out in phases. Go after the Latinos first, build up the infrastructure of xenophobic policy, then worry about the Jews later. For now, while support for Israel is disgusting, in his support for Israel there is an apparent reassurance that Trump isn't antisemitic. An antisemitic Trump could be deeply ideological, what everyone is praying he isn't.
05-17-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I am fiercely against the Israeli government. What they are doing to the Palestinians is unconscionably inhumane.
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Really? I mean, I understand people may have sympathy for the Palestinians.. but they do fire rockets at the Israelis and use their own people as human shields.
05-17-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
They don't pay social security or FICA taxes? You are teaching people more how the tax system works!
I never said they don't pay any taxes, and we all pay into entitlement programs. That's how they work.

It's interesting that you bring up something that is blatantly obvious as some sort of gotcha. Lol.
05-17-2017 , 10:46 PM
Still trying to understand the potential charges against Trump.

First he declares that a better relationship with Russia, including sanction relief, is part of his election platform. Then he tells Russia that his official, stated, known position is part of a secret quid pro quo for their releasing authentic communications of Hillary Clinton and associates?

I must be missing something because that doesn't make sense to me. Trading on known, official positions in secret transactions seems backward and inconsistent. Who announces "I will do X" publicly and then uses the threat of not doing X in a secret negotiation? That would also imply that Trump actively recruited Russians to do it (Wikileaks saying it wasn't even Russia btw) since, presumably, the Russians know Trump's public positions and wouldn't try to, backwardly, gain that which was already openly promoted.
05-17-2017 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Really? I mean, I understand people may have sympathy for the Palestinians.. but they do fire rockets at the Israelis and use their own people as human shields.
In what sense are Palestinians human beings shields when the Israeli government has little to no consideration of human life other than Jewish life?

You should pay attention to simple headlines before making statements. It is sometimes charged, in the aftermath of one tragedy or another at the end of Israeli ordinance, that the dead Palestinian children are dead not because they were intentionally bombed, but because they were used as shields. In truth, Israel bombs schools and hospitals regularly as part of their ongoing terror campaign.

An NBC journalist was pulled from reporting because, when Israel cruelly blew up children playing soccer on a beach, he noticed:
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Witnessed 3 young boys killed by Israeli ordinance on an otherwise empty beach this afternoon in Gaza City.
The Israeli gunboat targeted and killed four children playing kickball on an otherwise empty beach.

Are these the shields you are talking about?
05-17-2017 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I don't believe the government killed 3000 people on 9/11. Making **** up is your specialty Fly, not mine.

Lying to people about your positions when you are that powerful is complete moral depravity. Her emails revealed she held different private and public positions. She basically admits to being something like a highly paid actor, conning people into thinking she believes in democracy while secretly doing the bidding of the super rich in exchange for money/power.

Do you challenge that she said she holds private and public positions on the same policies or that behaving in such a hugely fraudulent manner is morally depraved?
LOL Deuces once again that thing where you obviously just skim the headlines. Like when you say "revealed she held different private and public positions" I think you think everyone else shares your inability to click through the headline, you think there were lots of individual positions revealed.

Here's the actual quote that the news articles you're vaguely remembering were about:
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CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, “balance” — how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position.
She's describing politics, man. Regular ass politics. We literally already did this song and dance, Deuces, and you still never thought to actually read the source material for your vague emotional hatreds?

P.S. chezlaw is going to green text this post because I referenced prior conduct of a poster AND implied someone was being dishonest online, but not wil's thug posts lol.
05-17-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I never said they don't pay any taxes, and we all pay into entitlement programs. That's how they work.

It's interesting that you bring up something that is blatantly obvious as some sort of gotcha. Lol.
You said something inaccurate(typical). I corrected you.
05-18-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.
Sounds like a typical Trump-supporting racist to me.
05-18-2017 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL Deuces once again that thing where you obviously just skim the headlines. Like when you say "revealed she held different private and public positions" I think you think everyone else shares your inability to click through the headline, you think there were lots of individual positions revealed.

Here's the actual quote that the news articles you're vaguely remembering were about:
Fly you keep saying that I only skim the headlines when you know dam well by this point that I am one of the few here who actually read. are you still pissed for demonstrating that that massive block of text you dumped in the 9/11 thread didn't say what you claimed it did? If I read that then what won't I read? Stop the childish needling. Or do you think you are being clever, like Belichick, "attack the strength"? Either way the insincerity is transparent so you should just stop.

That actual quote indeed says what it says it did. That was from a speech to a bank IIRC. What she was doing, plainly, was reassuring the bankers that, despite what she says to get elected, she will maintain a private position and it is from this position that she will actually govern. In that vein she spoke of Wall street being blamed unfairly (even though no one went to prison or even got un-rich) and her belief in the ability of Wall Street to regulate itself. Those are individual positions revealed, in confidence, which are in direct contrast to her stated positions. She is a confirmed fraud, a fraudster whose actions lead to real consequences for real people. Helping Wall street parasitize the country by being a fraud is deeply morally depraved.

It's sad that the sort of conditioning which leads weak people to accept this depravity works so well on you.

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She's describing politics, man. Regular ass politics.
She isn't speaking in the abstract. She is talking about herself and those present, her sponsors/controllers. She is reasserting a standing quid pro quo. Or do I have to remind you how much she was paid for those "boiler plate" speeches? 200K for a 45 minute speech is "regular ass politics"? It is an absurdity of high scale corruption. It's the same pattern seen in the Clinton foundation.

There must be no limit to what you will accept from the Clintons. I don't see how you could muster an ounce of self-respect. Was the Clinton's racist drug war also "regular ass politics"? Seems like Obama got elected without pandering to white Southern Racists. There are different approaches to politics. Max corruption is not regular, and even if it was regular (it isn't) that doesn't mean it isn't also morally depraved.
05-18-2017 , 02:41 AM
Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House https://nyti.ms/2qumX3e

Flynn told Trump he was under investigation on January 4 and Trump still brought him aboard anyway AND later played dumb and blamed the whole thing on Obama (???). If only.we had some kind of warning before the election that Trump was so goddamn stupid...
05-18-2017 , 02:56 AM
By the way everyone, get ready for some angry tweetstorms!

Foreign Trip Comes at Crucial Time, but Trump Is a Reluctant Traveler https://nyti.ms/2qumCO0

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President Trump leaves on Friday for a nine-day, five-city foreign excursion, his first trip outside of the United States as the country’s leader and top diplomat.

He doesn’t really want to go.

In recent days, Mr. Trump has groused to several friends that he is not looking forward to leaving his new White House cocoon for high-profile, high-pressure meetings with dozens of world leaders in unfamiliar settings.

At one point, he barked at an aide that he thought his first tour abroad should be only about half as long. He will have to abandon his well-known preference for sleeping in his own bed (or in one at the hotels or golf resorts he owns) as he hops between Saudi Arabia, Israel, Belgium, Italy and the Vatican — all places without a Trump-branded property.
LOL. And another good description about the way his aides gave to treat him like a ****ing kindergartner just to get him to do basic aspects of his job:

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But even as he sat with briefing books and stacks of news clippings about global events, Mr. Trump has generally just skimmed through, according to several people familiar with his preparations. Instead, he has focused on the chaos swirling around his White House.

In an attempt to capture his interest, aides threaded Mr. Trump’s own name through the paragraphs of one of the two-page memos they wrote for him.
LOLOLOL
05-18-2017 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
In what sense are Palestinians human beings shields when the Israeli government has little to no consideration of human life other than Jewish life?

You should pay attention to simple headlines before making statements. It is sometimes charged, in the aftermath of one tragedy or another at the end of Israeli ordinance, that the dead Palestinian children are dead not because they were intentionally bombed, but because they were used as shields. In truth, Israel bombs schools and hospitals regularly as part of their ongoing terror campaign.

An NBC journalist was pulled from reporting because, when Israel cruelly blew up children playing soccer on a beach, he noticed:


The Israeli gunboat targeted and killed four children playing kickball on an otherwise empty beach.

Are these the shields you are talking about?
Are you saying you think they did it on purpose? That they targeted young boys in purpose?

You speak very recklessly. The Israelis can rain death and destruction on the Palestinians at will if they wish to do so, with no fear of retaliation. They do not. Why do you think that is?


Without a doubt the Israelis hold the moral high ground here, as much as people may dislike many aspects of the situation. You holding up an accident as an example of the morality of the Israelis is deplorable.
05-18-2017 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
You said something inaccurate(typical). I corrected you.
It's not inaccurate at all. There is a very good reason why social security and Medicare are separated line items.

When someone speaks of federal taxes, they are referencing "federal withholding". Oasdi and Medicare are very different than Federal withholding. Everyone understands this, apparently, except for you. But please, since you have the chance now, explain to all of us how something like social security is just like federal income tax and should be considered the same thing, lol?


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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Sounds like a typical Trump-supporting racist to me.
Leftist mumbo jumbo is usually a very long, drawn out explanation that goes against common sense and often uses the word "nuance". It's common, actually.
05-18-2017 , 07:15 AM
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In an attempt to capture his interest, aides threaded Mr. Trump’s own name through the paragraphs of one of the two-page memos they wrote for him.
This is astounding and completely expected at the same time.
05-18-2017 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
By the way everyone, get ready for some angry tweetstorms!
I guess being in France has rubbed off on me cause you can call me...NOSTRADAMUS

Trump Calls Himself the Victim of a ‘Witch Hunt’ https://nyti.ms/2ruCbTb

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In a pair of early morning Twitter posts, Mr. Trump cited, without evidence, what he called the “illegal acts” committed by the administration of his predecessor, Barack Obama, and the campaign of his former opponent, Hillary Clinton — and said they never led to the appointment of a special counsel. He misspelled the word counsel as councel.

“With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special councel appointed,” Mr. Trump said.

Moments later, Mr. Trump added, “This is the greatest single witch hunt of a politician in American history!”
Didn't he try "council" in an earlier tweet too? Man that is a tricky word for him.
05-18-2017 , 11:55 AM
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She isn't speaking in the abstract.
LOL Deuces you had literally once never read that quote, even though Hillary was asked about it in a debate. This is how you keep falling for dip**** conspiracy theories, Deuces, you go to Infowars or whatever and just skim. If you bothered to read articles instead of headlines before forming your rock solid core values like a missile hit the Pentagon and holograms hit the two towers, I guarantee you, guarantee, you'd be less of a ****ing laughingstock.


Every. ****ing. Time. You get on your Wikileaks(which, whoo boy, not a wagon that looks great to have hitched themselves to. Though you both share the same views on the (((globalists)))) and Prison Planet based free association about morality kick, you notice that you're never rubbing your links in our facts. You're instead just saying ****, no link, no quote. And then when we google it we always end up dunking on you?

You could Google it first. That website is free of charge.
05-18-2017 , 12:55 PM
NYT says drunk driver, you are really something
05-18-2017 , 12:57 PM
Hi Love Sosa,

I may be misinterpreting your post, but are you insinuating that this was a terrorist attack?

      
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