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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
The language that was going to be contained in the EO before Trump came to his senses/sat down for his nightly 10-minute pow wow with Ivanka. And, no, I don't think "all" or even many businesses would do any such thing, but that's not the point; the fact that the option would be there, allowed by this administration, is the problem.
And? At what point should something be forced on someone when their religious beliefs come into play? Should we force Catholic churches to perform gay weddings? There's a tradeoff somewhere. Where do you personally draw the line?
I'm all for letting gays get married. Always have been. What I'm concerned about is what we force others to do in accepting it. At what point are we being unreasonable? As you've said yourself, if that discrimination is allowed the vast majority of business would not discriminate. The same with employees. Businesses pay a price when they discriminate, and in many cases a very big price. If they are willing to do so, then should we still interfere?
If it was legal and IBM made it their policy to never hire another Asian person, they would pay an enormous price for that. The same with any other race. Do we have to intervene?
In this particular case we are talking about an example of a bakery not wanting to serve gay weddings. They would be in the tiny majority, and they would pay a huge price in terms of business. If they are willing to do so to keep with their beliefs, should we intervene, especially if the vast majority of businesses are willing to provide that service?
The religious morons have rights too. It just depends on where we all personally think that should be. Religion is protected under the Constitution so there must be extreme care when dealing with it in particular. I mean, they believe a dude lives in the sky, I think they are all nuts, but what I personally think doesn't mean anything, the Constitution FORCES me to consider their position. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I mean, dont doctors adhere to Jehovah witnesses not believing in blood transfusions even if their life is at stake?
Hell, I'd bet Trump is an atheist and couldn't give a rats ass about them wanting to shoot themselves in the foot. Politically it helps him though. Bush did the same thing and from what I've read he was fine with gays, even believed it was genetic. You sure wouldn't know that from his politics, as he sounded like he hated them.
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As far as the "racist" cake, if it didn't contain a threat or instructions on committing an illegal act, you'd have to make it.
This might have been a bad example. Racism and religious beliefs are two different things. I don't think you have a right to be racist but you do have a right to relgious freedom. Good point here
Last edited by wil318466; 05-13-2017 at 07:52 PM.