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03-27-2017 , 02:10 AM
"if he (Russian mobster and FBI informant Felix Sater) were sitting in the room right now, I really wouldn't know what he looked like."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/video/...ciate-35688372

Yes, you do, Don. Yes, you know him very very well.
03-27-2017 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yes reducing the crime rate but not the actual number of crimes is winning
insert carcetti gif about jukin teh stats
03-27-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Not all trump supporters are racist but just about all racist are trump supporters. Comparing the two parities on racism and pretending they are the same is way wrong.
I feel bad for you if you really believe this. I know it is a common belief among liberals, but I can't help but feel bad for how simple minded the people who think this is true are.
03-27-2017 , 12:35 PM
Bahbah,

Why do you support trump? Like actual policies? How will his policies help you?

How did Obama's policies hold you back?
03-27-2017 , 01:03 PM
I'm not a big supporter of trump. Of all the candidates that ran for president this election cycle he wasn't in my top 5. Once he won the repub primary I wanted him though since Hillary was my least favorite candidate (unless you count bernie sanders who kinda ran against Hillary).

I do like a few of his policies, but there are a few I oppose as well. Putting in place (what I believe are) pro growth economic policies are almost enough to get me to support any candidate. I love the ideas of cutting taxes (income & corporate) and regulation. Trump doesn't seem to place as much importance on clean energy as Hillary/Obama have, which is a plus for me. He also resisted some of the more idiotic ideas that bernie sanders was proposing which I think Hillary warmed up to to an extent - such as forgiving some/all student debt and raising the MW to $15/hr.

My income, like so many other peoples', is loosely correlated to the US economy so I am in favor of most policies I believe will help the country as a whole. I also see pro-growth economic policy as morally better than ones I see as anti-growth such as a higher MW and a beefed up welfare program.
03-27-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
goaTRUMP
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I'm not a big supporter of trump
lol
03-27-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I feel bad for you if you really believe this. I know it is a common belief among liberals, but I can't help but feel bad for how simple minded the people who think this is true are.
Its true. Just about all racist support trump.

And no not a lib. Can you cite? I also like the personal insult that im dumb.
03-27-2017 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I'm not a big supporter of trump. Of all the candidates that ran for president this election cycle he wasn't in my top 5. Once he won the repub primary I wanted him though since Hillary was my least favorite candidate (unless you count bernie sanders who kinda ran against Hillary).

I do like a few of his policies, but there are a few I oppose as well. Putting in place (what I believe are) pro growth economic policies are almost enough to get me to support any candidate. I love the ideas of cutting taxes (income & corporate) and regulation. Trump doesn't seem to place as much importance on clean energy as Hillary/Obama have, which is a plus for me. He also resisted some of the more idiotic ideas that bernie sanders was proposing which I think Hillary warmed up to to an extent - such as forgiving some/all student debt and raising the MW to $15/hr.

My income, like so many other peoples', is loosely correlated to the US economy so I am in favor of most policies I believe will help the country as a whole. I also see pro-growth economic policy as morally better than ones I see as anti-growth such as a higher MW and a beefed up welfare program.
Which policies do you see of trumps as pro growth? Which of Obama's were anti growth? How do you feel about student loan forgiveness programs now in place? Why do you feel like expanding those would hurt? Why do you dislike increased MW despite Seattles and other areas success with it?

If you enjoyed economic growth the Obama years should have been great for you. But it sounds like they weren't. Who is to blame for that?
03-27-2017 , 02:17 PM
Min wage hike is like one of the biggest pro-growth policies out there. Check out those stats in cities/counties/states that already instituted it.

Free/debt-free college is another progrowth thing that has a longer payoff horizon, 5-10 years, instead of 1-2.
03-27-2017 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Its true. Just about all racist support trump.

And no not a lib. Can you cite? I also like the personal insult that im dumb.
No I can't find a course that shows that not an overwhelming majority of racists are trump supporters. That is such an ignorant and hateful thing to say that there isn't any research out there that would waste time with this absurd claim.

I wasn't trying to insinuate you are dumb. I was saying I feel bad for you the same way I feel bad for racists themselves. Like you, a lot of racists aren't dumb people they are just close minded and ignorant about some issues.
03-27-2017 , 02:25 PM
Racism comes in many forms. IMO a lot of GOP platform is racist and not even disguised well. Is there some subtle or not so subtle racist stuff in the Democrats platform? probably/possibly, but let take care of the obvious things first/asap. Voter suppression, immigration crackdown, criminal justice, healthcare access. You know the big issues.
03-27-2017 , 02:26 PM
lol @ "pro growth economic policies"
03-27-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Racism comes in many forms. IMO a lot of GOP platform is racist and not even disguised well. Is there some subtle or not so subtle racist stuff in the Democrats platform? probably/possibly, but let take care of the obvious things first/asap. Voter suppression, immigration crackdown, criminal justice, healthcare access. You know the big issues.
Please explain what laws republicans widely support that you consider voter suppression and why you consider them racist. Also, if your explanation of why healthcare access is racist is different than the voter suppression please explain it as well.
03-27-2017 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
No I can't find a course that shows that not an overwhelming majority of racists are trump supporters. That is such an ignorant and hateful thing to say that there isn't any research out there that would waste time with this absurd claim.
I asked you to cite that I'm a liberal.

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I wasn't trying to insinuate you are dumb. I was saying I feel bad for you the same way I feel bad for racists themselves. Like you, a lot of racists aren't dumb people they are just close minded and ignorant about some issues.
You said I'm simple minded. I take it as an insult.

But yeah you got to be right with that big brain of yours. The racist didn't vote trump, they voted Hillary...in equal numbers.
03-27-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You said I'm simple minded. I take it as an insult.

But yeah you got to be right with that big brain of yours. The racist didn't vote trump, they voted Hillary...in equal numbers.
I really wasn't trying to call you a stupid person and I want to clear this up so here goes:

As I said earlier, you are probably stuck thinking racists are trump voters just like racist are stuck thinking their race is better than others. They hear over and over their race is better than others by other racist and you have heard over and over that a huge majority of racist are trump voters by other simple minded people. This doesn't mean you are significantly less or more intelligent than the average person. It just means that you, like racist, have a narrow minded and ignorant view a certain group of other people.
03-27-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I really wasn't trying to call you a stupid person and I want to clear this up so here goes:

As I said earlier, you are probably stuck thinking racists are trump voters just like racist are stuck thinking their race is better than others. They hear over and over their race is better than others by other racist and you have heard over and over that a huge majority of racist are trump voters by other simple minded people. This doesn't mean you are significantly less or more intelligent than the average person. It just means that you, like racist, have a narrow minded and ignorant view a certain group of other people.
Thats a lot of words for my simple mind. I look forward to more of your posts.
03-27-2017 , 04:49 PM
The Voter ID thread was created to keep it out of this thread

I've moved the recent posts on the topic there.
03-27-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by adios


LOL you are making stuff up. No he wasn't actually. After about 3 scheduled votes previously with the Republicans pulling out he knew they wouldn't vote unless they knew it would pass. Anybody reading the article can see that. You were just ignorant about him being a person that doesn't like TRUMP. It is clear that he was mocking TRUMP and the Republicans for being gutless. Pretty much every column he writes is about TRUMP and pointing out that he's a fraud.

Do you think the Repubs should have gone on the record?
Seems like the only benefit is outing some fraction of republicans for not being blindly loyal. That's not even to say that supporting the bill requires blind loyalty, or that voting against implies that they're traitors. So I guess if he wants to fill the house/senate with people that have no interest in understanding policy but will just blindly vote on party lines, this might give him some basis to see where to allocate their campaign funds moving forward.
03-27-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I feel bad for you if you really believe this. I know it is a common belief among liberals, but I can't help but feel bad for how simple minded the people who think this is true are.
If someone legitimately hates African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, gays and lesbians, refugees, etc, and could apply be described as racist/bigoted/homophobic/xenophobic, you think there's a reasonable chance that they voted for someone other than Donald Trump?

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I'm not a big supporter of trump. Of all the candidates that ran for president this election cycle he wasn't in my top 5. Once he won the repub primary I wanted him though since Hillary was my least favorite candidate (unless you count bernie sanders who kinda ran against Hillary).
I'm almost afraid to ask what 5 non-HRC or Larry David candidates you liked better than Trump. I mean, meeting a Ted Cruz supporter in the flesh would be enough to make my skin crawl.
03-27-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I really wasn't trying to call you a stupid person and I want to clear this up so here goes:

As I said earlier, you are probably stuck thinking racists are trump voters just like racist are stuck thinking their race is better than others. They hear over and over their race is better than others by other racist and you have heard over and over that a huge majority of racist are trump voters by other simple minded people. This doesn't mean you are significantly less or more intelligent than the average person. It just means that you, like racist, have a narrow minded and ignorant view a certain group of other people.
Obviously saying something like all racists are trump supporters isn't going to hold true, but if we were to set realistic parameters where people were divided up by the strength of their preference for hillary/trump, what do you think the wedge would be between people who strongly support one vs the other when asked the question "race is a major determinant of a persons intelligence" or something to that effect? Determinant as in causal. And the reason I specify strong support so as to distinguish them from reluctant supporters who were less dissatisfied with him than hillary.

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03-27-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Please explain what laws republicans widely support that you consider voter suppression and why you consider them racist. Also, if your explanation of why healthcare access is racist is different than the voter suppression please explain it as well.
Voter id laws target minorities with "surgical precision". Surgical here does not mean healthcare.

Lack of cheap healthcare coverage affects poor people, among which minorities are over represented.
03-27-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
Which policies do you see of trumps as pro growth? Which of Obama's were anti growth? How do you feel about student loan forgiveness programs now in place? Why do you feel like expanding those would hurt? Why do you dislike increased MW despite Seattles and other areas success with it?

If you enjoyed economic growth the Obama years should have been great for you. But it sounds like they weren't. Who is to blame for that?
Mickey?
03-28-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Voter id laws target minorities with "surgical precision". Surgical here does not mean healthcare.

Lack of cheap healthcare coverage affects poor people, among which minorities are over represented.
Also can't be overstated how this 'lack of choice' is a symptom of the stranglehold that the american medical association has on the supply of medical professionals.

There're so many people with undergrad degrees in the natural sciences that would be more than qualified to act as a first level care provider with even a small amount of training / access to an online community of professionals. Prices would plummet. But instead, because the AMA is so dead set on inflating the salaries of doctors, what we have is a bunch of hacks filling that void with alternative health garbage, who often have no legitimate background in science and who often hold highly unscientific beliefs and attitudes about the world.
03-28-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
If someone legitimately hates African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, gays and lesbians, refugees, etc, and could apply be described as racist/bigoted/homophobic/xenophobic, you think there's a reasonable chance that they voted for someone other than Donald Trump?
If someone's hates "African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, gays and lesbians, refugees" then they likely didn't vote or voted for Trump. There are other groups out there that are also hated too. For instance if you hate white people you likely didn't vote or voted dem in the last 2 elections. If instead of hating gays and lesbians you hate straight people you likely voted dem.
03-28-2017 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
Which policies do you see of trumps as pro growth? Which of Obama's were anti growth?
trump
killing the momentum for raising MW
deregulation
cutting corp tax rates
cutting income tax rates

obama
raising MW
obamacare
increased regulation

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Originally Posted by samsonh
How do you feel about student loan forgiveness programs now in place? Why do you feel like expanding those would hurt?
I think any government assistance in the student loan field is great for colleges, but not necessarily good for kids going to college. There is a reason college costs and healthcare costs grow at a faster rate than almost any other good or service.

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Originally Posted by samsonh
Why do you dislike increased MW despite Seattles and other areas success with it?

If you enjoyed economic growth the Obama years should have been great for you. But it sounds like they weren't. Who is to blame for that?
Ignoring the small sample size and excellent timing- What success has Seattle had?

In the obama years the economy grew slower than it ever has out of a recession so no they weren't great. Although, you can't give obama 100% blame.

      
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