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It's basically the only argument they have left for anything, because they absolutely know in their hearts they can't defend any of their actions on the merits. Interestingly, they got this little propaganda move from authoritarian Russia and even Vladimir Putin himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Whataboutism is a term describing a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. When criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[3] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

The term describing the technique was popularized in 2008 by Edward Lucas in an article for The Economist. Lucas said that this tactic is observed in the politics of modern Russia, along with this being evidence of a resurgence of Cold War and Soviet-era mentality within Russia's leadership.[1]

03-18-2017 , 11:50 AM

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https://twitter.com/amjoyshow/status/843122092069470209

03-18-2017 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Whatabout Obama, the "endless" argument.

It's a valid point, though. It isn't like it's some earth-shattering thing that an opinion by another group of people changed dramatically. Like everything, it has to be put in context.

03-18-2017 , 11:51 AM

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03-18-2017 , 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

It's a valid point, though. It isn't like it's some earth-shattering thing that an opinion by another group of people changed dramatically. Like everything, it has to be put in context.

The context of Obama was that foreign opinion of the U.S. rose dramatically, especially among our close allies. Yes there was a bit of a bump with the Germans because of some scandals, but overall we developed close and good relationships with many allies.

The context of Trump is that he has been working to tear down all of our relationships, except interestingly Russia. He wants to defund the state department, he has made sure to put a Russian puppet as Secretary of State, and the entire world's opinion of the U.S. is in freefall. But for Trumpists like wil, that is actually a good thing because they despise the civilized world.

03-18-2017 , 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

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The context of Trump is that he has been working to tear down all of our relationships, except interestingly Russia. He wants to defund the state department, he has made sure to put a Russian puppet as Secretary of State, and the entire world's opinion of the U.S. is in freefall. But for Trumpists like wil, that is actually a good thing because they despise the civilized world.

Every administration takes a fresh look at their relationships with foreign governments, and that's a good thing. Trump is viewed much differently than the previous administration. I have no issue with that.

Why would you think most Americans care, at all, what the Germans think?

03-18-2017 , 12:34 PM

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Yet, our most important allie Israel hated Obama. Iran like him though.

03-18-2017 , 06:22 PM

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You mean that great relationship where Germany put in 1.2% of GDP towards their NATO commitment instead of their required 2.0%, which Trump took care of in 4 weeks? The ones who live under our umbrella of protection and short-change us? Those "good" allies? lol.

Citation needed.

03-18-2017 , 06:24 PM

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(A)Yet, our most important allie Israel hated Obama. (B)Iran like him though.

Citation needed on (A) and (B).

03-18-2017 , 06:52 PM

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Immigrants are starting to withdraw from food stamp programs, worried about drawing the attention of immigration officials & their residency being affected

By the way, these are legal immigrants. It will be a very bootstrappy experience for them to start going hungry, I'm sure it will help.

03-18-2017 , 06:56 PM

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I told yall this was gonna happen. Here's what comes next:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_HB_56

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Once the federal ruling of September 29, 2011 upholding most of the law went into effect, several Alabama school districts reported a significant drop in the number of Hispanic children attending public schools. State and local officials urged immigrants to keep their children in the schools, saying the law does not bar them from attending.[14]

Industries dependent on migrant labor have been strongly impacted. Farmers have found that Americans are not willing to work under such harsh working conditions for low pay.[15] Some businesses in other industries have lost workers, including legal workers, as a result of the new immigration law.[16]

03-18-2017 , 06:57 PM

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Trump budget takes an axe to program that funds after school programs for 1.6 million kids, many of them poor - again, something that will surely help these kids figure things out on their own the bootstrappy way and be more successful later in life

03-18-2017 , 07:05 PM

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San Francisco recipients of Meals On Wheels ask what kind of "results" the administration is looking for

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Drees and Behenna are two of the 3,600 clients served by Meals on Wheels in San Francisco, which last year delivered 1.7 million meals to seniors and others who cannot cook or otherwise feed themselves. The San Francisco organization is one of about 5,000 Meals on Wheels programs nationwide that could be hurt by a proposed 18 percent cut in the Health and Human Services budget and the proposed elimination of federal block grants.

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Meanwhile, a few doors down the hall from Drees at the Ambassador, John Behenna, 66, got his weekend meal delivery, too.

“Without this, I’d have to go to St. Anthony’s Dining Room and I can’t really do that,” he said, referring to a soup kitchen on Golden Gate Avenue. “I’m blind and I have diabetes. This program is not a waste. Without it, a lot of people would die and I could be one of them. Don’t these people understand?”

03-18-2017 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

You mean that great relationship where Germany put in 1.2% of GDP towards their NATO commitment instead of their required 2.0%, which Trump took care of in 4 weeks? The ones who live under our umbrella of protection and short-change us? Those "good" allies? lol.

Every administration takes a fresh look at their relationships with foreign governments, and that's a good thing. Trump is viewed much differently than the previous administration. I have no issue with that.

Why would you think most Americans care, at all, what the Germans think?

Definitely one of the more reasonable positions brought to light so far.

To be honest though he really seems to be bluffing when he says nato is obsolete. He'll have to follow through on multiple streets to get folds.

03-18-2017 , 07:40 PM

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San Francisco recipients of Meals On Wheels ask what kind of "results" the administration is looking for

Obviously they're useless eaters who deserve what they get, because everyone gets what they deserve in life. Besides - mulvaney says it isn't showing results! (citation missing).

And if the crooked press brings to light several recent studies that show it's efficacy? .. they're just being dishonest and looking to cause trouble.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.69f205a0a9d9

Why not just say "hey, look it's being abused by a lot of people, we want to tighten the budget and we'll work with states to make sure that deserving people get everything they need". At least then there's an undeniable kernel of truth to it and you don't have to come off like a fraud. And it's consistent with the administrations central theme - that everyone is trying to **** everyone, so let daddy trump whose an experienced hustler crack down on those bad dudes who're bleeding you dry one microwavable dinner at a time.