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I wonder how differently Trumpkins would feel about these "family broken up as mom/dad deported to Mexico" stories if they were instead ripping Irish people from the streets of Boston.

03-17-2017 , 03:57 PM

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Tillerson cuts short South Korea visit due to "fatigue". Maybe he needs more time relaxing with Trump on the golf course in Florida to get that stamina back.

03-17-2017 , 04:09 PM

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In "draining the swamp and giving Washington back to the people" news, Trump is going to name a coal lobbyist as deputy EPA chief

03-17-2017 , 06:58 PM

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What is interesting to me is that Wil thinks he is rich and is not getting ****ed by the GOP. Wil's family make between 225-300k from what he has told everyone. He is far from rich in absolute standards . He feels he is rich, which is the whole GOP plan. Wil is not planning in any way for the future of his kids(who he advertises in his avatar). Wil thinks he is super smart, yet he doesn't read. Wil needs to rethink things and that may change his anger towards other posters.

03-17-2017 , 07:00 PM

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Somehow I have a feeling this isn't going to happen

03-17-2017 , 07:03 PM

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https://twitter.com/ANTITRUMPMVMT/st...62097683759104

03-17-2017 , 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by samsonh

It's amazing how much time he spends trying to convince everyone how much money he has. Mentions it constantly.

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I wonder how differently Trumpkins would feel about these "family broken up as mom/dad deported to Mexico" stories if they were instead ripping Irish people from the streets of Boston.

I doubt many Trumpkins have the warm fuzzies for anyone from deep blue Massachusetts.

03-17-2017 , 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I have three older guy's that work for me. They each have cheap flip phones and cheap plans. They don't want or need expensive smart phones. We will never reduce poverty until people take accountability for their budget. The Democrats(Enableracrats) want you all to stay poor. The more people in poverty, the more votes for Demoenableracrats.

This argument for Iphones shows just how ignorant some of you people are. One of these day's the light will come on and you will experience a paradigmic shift that pulls you out of your self inflicted victim cycle.

this is so dumb. you can get a smart phone for $50 and a monthly plan with plenty of data for $30 per month.

there is no way the "older guys" are paying appreciably less than that.

complaining that poor ppl should not have smart phones and internet access is just mindbottling to me.

03-17-2017 , 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by samsonh

What's funny is your infatuation with me and every single thing I've ever posted. As far as being rich, i don't think I've ever made that claim. Compared to the majority of people on the planet, and on 2+2, it's kinda true. Sorry.

I don't know why you'd even speculate on what I have planned for my children. They will have quite a lot, I guarantee that. And I'm light years smarter than you are, which makes it even funnier since you claim some sort of intellectual superiority because you do something I don't have much time nor passion for anymore. Yeah, I don't read much anymore, and I'm quite satisfied with it.

As far as animosity, I don't really have that much of it. If you think I give a person like you any thought at all, lol.

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03-17-2017 , 11:57 PM

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somebody tell this b***h to stop blabbing and get back to the kitchen

03-18-2017 , 12:49 AM

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As polls have shown wealth and income are not great predictors of support for trump or democrat/republican. The results were almost down the middle for all income brackets > 50k including >250k.

I'd guess the stronger relationship wrt trump support and republicanism in general would be a persons attitude on whether people get what they deserve in life.

03-18-2017 , 11:15 AM

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It turns out that having a totally incompetent buffoon for a President actually does have consequences, who knew?

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/s...29171059826688

03-18-2017 , 11:19 AM

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http://www.dw.com/en/germans-trust-i...dal/a-17213441

Rarely has trust in the US government among Germans been as low in the last 15 years as it is now, according to the latest "Deutschlandtrend" (Germany trend) survey published by public broadcaster ARD. Just 35 percent of those polled said they saw Washington as a reliable partner, a drop of 14 percent since July. Just four years ago, in November 2009, that number was as high as 76 percent.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...711-story.html

When candidate Barack Obama spoke in July 2008 in Berlin near the Brandenburg Gate, he told a rapturous German audience that peace and progress "require allies who will listen to each other, learn from each other and, most of all, trust each other." It was supposed to be the opposite of George W. Bush's cowboy diplomacy, which alienated the Federal Republic of Germany and much of Europe. Yet six years later, relations between Washington and Berlin are more mistrustful than ever.

The main problem is that President Obama has been listening all too well to Germans — spying on them from more than 150 National Security Agency sites in Germany, according to secret NSA documents that former contractor Edward Snowden leaked to the weekly Der Spiegel.

Infratest Dimap poll indicates that a mere 27% of Germans regard the U.S. as trustworthy, and a majority view it as an aggressive power.

03-18-2017 , 11:27 AM

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https://thinkprogress.org/trumpcare-...825#.3tlq119p9

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Approximately 17,000 people could die in 2018 who otherwise would have lived if a House Republican health proposal endorsed by the Trump administration becomes law. By 2026, the number of people killed by Trumpcare could grow to approximately 29,000 in that year alone.

Determining the exact number of deaths that could occur each year due to a lack of access to insurance is not an exact science. But ThinkProgress calculated these estimates by examining two sources.

The first is a Congressional Budget Office report released Monday afternoon that details the impact of the House Republican health bill. It estimates that “in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law,” and projects this number will rise to “24 million in 2026.”
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The second source is a study examining the change in Massachusetts mortality rates after the state enacted health reforms similar to the Affordable Care Act. That study, which looked at adults aged 20 to 64, estimated that “for every 830 adults gaining insurance coverage there was one fewer death per year.”

Fourteen million divided by 830 equals 16,867 people potentially sentenced to die by Trumpcare. By 2026, if the CBO’s estimate is correct, that number could rise to 28,916 deaths in one year.

Other researchers have found slightly different estimates for deaths resulting from uninsurance. A Harvard study suggests that a little more than 23,000 people will die in 2026 if Trumpcare becomes law.

Nevertheless, the Massachusetts study was deemed sufficiently reliable by a long list of public health scholars and the American Public Health Association, who used the study’s 1 in 830 estimate in a brief to the Supreme Court of the United States arguing in favor of preserving major elements of Obamacare.

03-18-2017 , 11:30 AM

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Disabled People Will Die Under Trump: An Emergency Plea To Allies
You shouldn’t have to be personally affected by something to care about it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04e28cf5b8a9b

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This is an emergency plea to those upset about a pending Trump presidency. I’d like to especially address intersectional feminists, radicals, anarchists, socialists and others in the USA who are able-bodied and drawn towards systems-level analysis and organizing for radical change.

People with disabilities and chronic illnesses will die under a Trump presidency. Full stop. We will die because of him. This is an emergency situation and we need emergency solidarity, immediately, from every single one of you. Right now, many of us feel like you do not understand the horror of this situation.

Social justice activists, why is ableism so often relegated to the periphery of your analysis? Many disabled people feel right now that they desperately need you and can’t find you. Maybe it’s the cultural lineage of eugenics and Social Darwinism which has created an ableist norm, a veil of neutrality over what is actually a system of domination. Maybe it has to do with an association between disability awareness campaigns and a vague sense of apolitical softness or even conservatism, as if caring about disability is not the job of radicals, but the job of celebrity doctors, colored ribbon campaigns, and concerned suburban moms. Or maybe it has something to do with a sense of not being personally affected by disability.

You shouldn’t have to be personally affected by something to care about it, but if helps, here’s a reminder: Every single one of you could become disabled or chronically ill at the drop of a hat, and you’re going to be living under Trump, too.

[Trump’s] oft-stated goal of virtually dismantling Medicaid and Obamacare is perhaps the most brazen way in which he will boot-stomp and kill disabled and sick folks.

Donald Trump, in addition to being one of the most racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, classist, capitalist, all-around hateful and terrifying U.S. presidents in history, is also on track to be the most ableist president. His oft-stated goal of virtually dismantling Medicaid and Obamacare is perhaps the most brazen way in which he will boot-stomp and kill disabled and sick folks. (And this is not to mention other health care-related questions: What is going to happen to reproductive rights? What is going to happen to transfolk who use hormones?)

But Trump’s nasty ableist ideology doesn’t end at health care. Trump has contributed to an ableist cultural psychology by openly mocking disabled people and he has been charged with consistent ADA violations in his business ventures. This includes cases so egregious that the Department of Justice had to get involved . Trump believes capitalists are “oppressed” by the imposition of the Americans with Disabilities Act and has repeatedly spoken of supporting legislation that would seriously limit the seminal act’s powers.

Immediately addressing this emergency also requires immediately addressing ableism’s intersection with other oppressive systems. For example, black folks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than whites and a full half of people killed by police are disabled. This means that Trump’s potential Department of Justice policies, which will leave police even more unaccountable and militarized than already are, will have drastic effects on disabled people in general, and disabled people of color in particular.

Indeed, the disabled people who are most at risk for harm and death will be those already suffering other injustices. Many will be people of color and women who are already discriminated against in emergency rooms. Many will be immigrants and migrant workers. Many will be single mothers. Many will be LGBTQ folks. Many will be people who do not speak English, the US’s dominant language. Many will be Native Americans. Many will be severely disabled people needing total care and living in group homes, which are at risk of losing funding. Many will be disabled children in underfunded schools who risk losing their already minimal accommodations. Many will be people who are isolated, without friends or family. Almost all will be working class and poor.

There is nothing more privileged than being able to comfortably intellectualize and debate about a Utopian future without having to worry about your physical or emotional survival in the present.

03-18-2017 , 11:30 AM

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Finkle and Einbert doesn't seem so smart when someone challenges him on his one way tweets. We need to have two way discussion. This Germany thing is important and Wil brings up a great point.

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03-18-2017 , 11:31 AM

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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/t...icle-1.2996972

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For years now, Donald Trump has been desperate to sell America on the fantasy that he can rip up the Affordable Care Act and replace it with something “terrific” that drives down costs, improves the quality of care — and covers absolutely everyone.
“Everybody’s got to be covered,” he said in September 2015.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” he pledged in January 2017, pledging “better health care for more people at a lesser cost.”

“Nobody will be worse off financially” under Republicans’ replacement plan, Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price promised for good measure over the weekend.

Well, the nonpartisan analysts at the Congressional Budget Office just ran the numbers on the American Health Care Act that House Speaker Paul Ryan cobbled together and Trump enthusiastically endorsed — and demolished the Trumpian idea that major health care policy changes don’t force difficult tradeoffs.

Chief among the projections: A staggering 14 million fewer people will be covered with health insurance by next year — and 24 million eight years later, thanks to the end of Obamacare’s mandate, a replacement of its generous subsidies with far smaller tax credits and curbing of the law’s Medicaid expansion.

That’s a population larger than that of New York State, most of whom will be poor or older or both, suddenly without coverage.

But wait, there’s more. Health insurance premiums, according to CBO projections, will increase by 15% to 20% as compared to current law before 2020. After that point, they will go down — but only for young people.

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For older Americans in particular, premiums can be expected to grow as much as seven-fold, and copays will rise as well.

03-18-2017 , 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Finkle and Einbert doesn't seem so smart when someone challenges him on his one way tweets.

Wil's numbers are from 2013 and other years long ago. It doesn't have anything to do with what I posted, which is why I didn't respond. Like many of your sides' posts, it was a total non sequitur meant to appeal to some kind of twisted Trumpian logic that isn't real. If he had explained his bull**** post maybe we could understand what kind of lie he was trying to sell.

03-18-2017 , 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by einbert

I think you get caught by surprise when somebody challenges you. This is why you spam so many tweets out at a time. If you did one at a time you would have to defend your position. I supect you don't want that.

I'm hoping for more back and forth discussion. There is so much more to a story than a singke tweet. Germany is a very important allie. If they are truly unhappy I wanna know why.

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03-18-2017 , 11:40 AM

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It's exactly my point, that it happened under the Obama administration.

I mean, Obama won the Nobel peace prize, dude. And stop spamming the ****ing forum.

03-18-2017 , 11:40 AM

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You never actually offer any real counters to anything. If you actually want me to engage you you have to offer a real counter of thought or opinion to something I"m saying. If Wil just posts completely out-of-context poll numbers from years ago, trying to act like it's relevant, yeah I'm gonna ignore that ****. It's a waste of my time and has nothing to do with my original point. You NEVER have anything useful to say, so that's why I hardly ever reply to you.

03-18-2017 , 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

It's exactly my point, that it happened under the Obama administration.

I mean, Obama won the Nobel peace prize, dude. And stop spamming the ****ing forum.

Doesn't change the fact that the Nov 2016 number was 59%. You're just trying to muddy up the waters as usual. You have NOTHING in terms of real facts.

03-18-2017 , 11:45 AM

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Doesn't change the fact that the Nov 2016 number was 59%. You're just trying to muddy up the waters as usual. You have NOTHING in terms of real facts.

Sure it does. It goes to show that the Germans are fickle people. Under the Obama administration they had quite a large drop in opinion of the US. The same has happened under the Trump administration.

Your point doesn't really mean much at all. If Germany's opinion rises two years from now, does that prove your point doesn't matter at all? And no, I really don't want you to engage me. You're a spammer. You clog up every thread you post in.