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03-14-2017 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Has Medicare been cut? Nope

Has Social Security been cut? Nope

Has Medicaid been cut? Nope.

Until any of these actually happen he hasn't lied about this alleged promise.
This is pathetic, man. He wants to cut Medicare, but he can't because Democrats are blocking him. So...promise kept!

Imagine if Trump promised never to hurt the military, then supported a bill to sentence all active duty members of the military to immediate death. If Congress blocked it, adios would cheer on Trump's support of the military.
03-14-2017 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
@Einbert

As a democrat do you have any regrets about the party nominating Hillary Clinton or about its platform? You know the democrats were just defeated by an insane idiot, right? What does that make them/you?

Your comments in the other thread also suggest a lack of introspection. Your party barely rises to the level of a joke, so it might not be the best time to be so self righteous. Why don't you go think about a way to beat Trump other than pointlessly denigrating him?
Obviously Democrats should talk about stupid conspiracy theories like you do. That will be sure to win.

Actually, maybe it would. But putting truthers in charge is not much better than Trump.
03-14-2017 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
You don't get stronger by having challenges taken away from you. You get stronger by learning to take on the challenge. Do you see how the politically correct culture is actually making us weaker?
I thought Donald Trump was strong, but his dad constantly took challenges away from him. I guess he's weak? You may have a point here.
03-14-2017 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
And that is the same thought process poor people use in their decision making.

This is why they stay poor.
That looks like a guess and a stereotype, talking but not walking in various other folk's shoes.
03-14-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
That looks like a guess and a stereotype, talking but not walking in various other folk's shoes.
As a poker player I make good use of stereotypes.

Have you walked in the shoes of a poor person? How about a rich person? I have which is why I know how things are. It sounds like you're the one who is guessing.
03-14-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I thought Donald Trump was strong, but his dad constantly took challenges away from him. I guess he's weak? You may have a point here.
You don't think owning 515 businesses is a challenge? BTW...we are talking about poor people and this example is ignorant. It's people like you who help to perpetuate the poor life style.
03-14-2017 , 11:14 AM
It's actually a perfect example. You want to invoke the old Nietzsche saying, "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger." But the problem with that is Nietzsche had syphilis--a disease which weakened him throughout his life.

You don't make people stronger by subjecting them to conditions so harsh that most people perish or give up. In fact, doing that is a great recipe for crime, apathy, and overwhelming drug use. You make people stronger by providing them a basic framework or infrastructure of things that allow them to succeed. For example, an education. It is clear that in today's economy, people need a college degree to succeed. So why do we only offer a public education through twelfth grade, then expect a student to pay tens of thousands of dollars if they want to complete their education and get a decent job? This is insanity and is what leads to great income inequality such as we have today.
03-14-2017 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I think what they overlook is most of these smartphone owning poor people don't have a laptop or home computer or landline. The smartphone is serving all their computing and telephonic needs.
You're overlooking all the other dumb decisions and purchases that make people poor. How many rich people are all tatted up? Why do poor people have kids? Pets? They buy lottery tickets, cigs, coffee...instead of making sure their family is fed and insured.

When are you people gonna get it?
03-14-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It's actually a perfect example. You want to invoke the old Nietzsche saying, "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger." But the problem with that is Nietzsche had syphilis--a disease which weakened him throughout his life.

You don't make people stronger by subjecting them to conditions so harsh that most people perish or give up. In fact, doing that is a great recipe for crime, apathy, and overwhelming drug use. You make people stronger by providing them a basic framework or infrastructure of things that allow them to succeed. For example, an education. It is clear that in today's economy, people need a college degree to succeed. So why do we only offer a public education through twelfth grade, then expect a student to pay tens of thousands of dollars if they want to complete their education and get a decent job? This is insanity and is what leads to great income inequality such as we have today.
I would argue that having a college education today is far less important than ever before.

The education system absolutely needs to improve. Teach kids how to budget. Teach them cultural relatism. Teach them how to establish good credit. Teach them to stay away from drugs, cigs, tattoos etc. teach them how to use common sense.
03-14-2017 , 11:26 AM
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I would argue that having a college education today is far less important than ever before.
And you would be completely and utterly wrong.

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So it might come as a surprise that a new study shows the value of a college degree is greater than it has been in nearly half a century, at least when compared to the prospect of not getting a degree. The Pew Research Center has found that the earnings gap between millennials with bachelor’s degrees and those with just a high school diploma is wider than it was for prior generations.

[READ: Income Inequality Widens Across the Globe]

Among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only. That gap steadily widened for each successive generation in the latter half of the 20th century. As of 1986, the gap for late baby boomers ages 25 to 32 was just more than $14,200, and for early boomers in 1979, it was far smaller at $9,690. The gap for millennials is also more than twice as large as it was for the silent generation in 1965, when the gap for that cohort was just under $7,500 (all figures are in 2012 dollars).

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...l-grads-widens

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The education system absolutely needs to improve. Teach kids how to budget. Teach them cultural relatism. Teach them how to establish good credit. Teach them to stay away from drugs, cigs, tattoos etc. teach them how to use common sense.
No amount of budgeting or good credit or staying away from drugs is going to help people when they can't get a good job because they don't have a college education, or when one medical emergency bankrupts them and they lose everything because they are uninsured. Common sense isn't helpful in that situation.
03-14-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
And you would be completely and utterly wrong.


https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...l-grads-widens



No amount of budgeting or good credit or staying away from drugs is going to help people when they can't get a good job because they don't have a college education, or when one medical emergency bankrupts them and they lose everything because they are uninsured. Common sense isn't helpful in that situation.
That surprises me. Thanks for sharing. I would like to look a little deeper into the context of the study.

Obviously those with degrees have more earning potential. I'm talking about those folks on a low fixed income and how they choose to budget.

There is no doubt they are at a systemic disadvantage. The system is certainly rigged in favor of the rich.
03-14-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
As a poker player I make good use of stereotypes.
Unlikely, because that is a stereotype of poker players. Anyone who is not a fish can look around at the trends of their poker environment. That doesn't make stereotyping any smarter or dumber than it is.
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Have you walked in the shoes of a poor person? How about a rich person? I have which is why I know how things are. It sounds like you're the one who is guessing.
I could tell you were guessing and stereotyping by your use of guessing and stereotyping. I didn't guess or rely on thinking like stereotyping so it's unlikely I sounded like I'm that one.
03-14-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
That surprises me. Thanks for sharing. I would like to look a little deeper into the context of the study.

Obviously those with degrees have more earning potential. I'm talking about those folks on a low fixed income and how they choose to budget.

There is no doubt they are at a systemic disadvantage. The system is certainly rigged in favor of the rich.
There's a big generational disconnect. College degrees are more important than ever because 20-30 years ago, it was much more feasible to "work your way up" so to speak and end up with a good job or at least a middle class job with no degree or no specialized degree.

Now, just to enter that second tier of the workforce, it seems a degree is necessary in most fields. You'll find yourself unable to be promoted unless you are in a unique situation. Even a specialized degree is considered a must-have by many 18-20 year-olds today, and they're not wrong. As science and technology and software development continues to grow and replace manufacturing and industry in the U.S., those specialized and advanced degrees are more essential than ever. And automation and globalization are really crushing the wages and jobs of those without degrees, contributing even more to rising income inequality.
03-14-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
You don't think owning 515 businesses is a challenge? BTW...we are talking about poor people and this example is ignorant. It's people like you who help to perpetuate the poor life style.
You missed the point. Trump had all kinds of assistance from his father, from tons of money to business contacts. Did that make him weak or keep him from succeeding? Of course not.
03-14-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
You're overlooking all the other dumb decisions and purchases that make people poor. How many rich people are all tatted up? Why do poor people have kids? Pets? They buy lottery tickets, cigs, coffee...instead of making sure their family is fed and insured.

When are you people gonna get it?
I get you are likely guessing about the decisions and purchases of countless people you haven't seen, heard, or met. And, I get you are likely exaggerating whichever individuals actual may meet your expected stereotypes about rich and poor.
03-14-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Why do poor people have kids?
Wow, didn't take very long for mongo to go straight to class-based eugenics.
03-14-2017 , 12:42 PM
Well, you took away their iPhone, you took away their TV, their toys and coloring books for their kids, their healthcare and their greater chances for a college education. They had sex because they had literally nothing else to do. They wanted to get free condoms, but Republicans had shut down Planned Parenthood. They tried to get an abortion, but again, Republicans had shut down Planned Parenthood in their area. They didn't have the money to travel out of state.
03-14-2017 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Wow, didn't take very long for mongo to go straight to class-based eugenics.
this...
03-14-2017 , 12:49 PM
A regime of genetic supremacists has followers who are genetic supremacists. Surprise.
03-14-2017 , 12:50 PM
Also a bully supremacy regime. Which means somehow they have to explain how bullying is both superior and caused by their genes.
03-14-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
As a poker player I make good use of stereotypes.

Have you walked in the shoes of a poor person? How about a rich person? I have which is why I know how things are. It sounds like you're the one who is guessing.
Ive done both. and Im way better at poker than you.

heres the thing, rich ppl waste more money and work far less hard than poor ppl.
03-14-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Premiums projected to go up 15-20% in the first year alone. Who cares what's projected after ten years, a million things could happen between now and then. Right now it pulls insurance out from under the working poor, putting a massive burden on everyone else. How is this responsible in any way shape or form?
The bolded is the way liberals look at everything.

"No, No, NO! You have to ignore the long-term effects. Who cares if we are better off down the road we have to look at tomorrow."

"Who cares if the economy grows if we cut taxes and unemployment will be down 3 years from now. That means the evil rich people will have more money tomorrow."
03-14-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
heres the thing, rich ppl waste more money and work far less hard than poor ppl.
Of course rich people "waste more money", they have more disposable income.

Who works hard is tougher to answer. I assume "rich people" includes trust fund kids and "poor people" includes the unemployed so there is some laziness in both parties. Overall I'd say rich people work harder and of course way smarter.
03-14-2017 , 02:05 PM
So has the regime reached peak mongering and goading yet, or is more in store for the people? Sheesh.
03-14-2017 , 02:22 PM

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