Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
President Trump President Trump

03-06-2017 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juan valdez
we make monthly payments...
wat
03-06-2017 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466



Well, back in 1802 we'd just sacrifice a beaver and pray. Beavers don't cost that much so if we go back far enough it'd actually get cheaper!
The kind of intelligent discussion you get from Wil. On a good reply, you get a word per inch.

Wil, you genuinely think that the USA has a good healthcare system? Where 20% of your entire population is struggling to pay for medical bills? Where millions declare bankruptcy? That is your actual argument. This is one day removed from you arguing first that the USA took all the jews it could, then when shown that it took in very few, argued that turning away boats of them was no big deal.

What an exemplary human being.
03-06-2017 , 03:56 PM
Wil is like:
03-06-2017 , 03:59 PM
How did I expose myself? Answer my question: What kind of insurance could my Dad have received pre-ACA with a pre-existing condition?

I genuinely enjoy that the deplorables are making fun of my parents for having a nearly 5,000 sq ft home on 2 acres of land. This is the line of attack they are going for. Wil thinks that this would, for some reason bother me? I genuinely don't understand.

Last edited by aoFrantic; 03-06-2017 at 04:04 PM.
03-06-2017 , 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
wat
true story. we make monthly payments

teleport at your own risk

on top of that, the theory that you have free insurance is absurd. you pay for it. if you weren't forced to pay for it, you could have the option to be uninsured. the only thing that changes is you have the option. in your scenario, your parents would be in a system where they opted out of paying for insurance and were uninsured instead of being forced to buy in and were insured. of course theres the option to buy insurance even if you arent forced to, which they could. we know this because you felt the need to disclose that they are rich. not as rich as they would be with teleportation technology, but still
03-06-2017 , 04:06 PM
Juan, no one is under the illusion that Canadians, Britains and other people don't pay for their health insurance. The Government gets it's money. But countries that have single payer do not have 20% of their entire populations struggling to get by due to medical bills. This is the entire point.
03-06-2017 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466
Hey, maybe if you change the subject enough you can talk your way out of that debacle earlier. I'm well aware of the tactics you use when arguing any point. I say exposed because I'm glad other people noticed how you tried your best to walk back your arguments that were obviously false.
What argument have I used that was false? Why won't you answer my question? Pre-ACA in the USA, what insurance could my father have qualified that would have absorbed 7 figures in expenses with a pre-existing condition?

What if my parents were not all bootstrappy and well off? What if they were poor and among the 20% of your entire country struggling with medical bills?
03-06-2017 , 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Juan, no one is under the illusion that Canadians, Britains and other people don't pay for their health insurance. The Government gets it's money. But countries that have single payer do not have 20% of their entire populations struggling to get by due to medical bills. This is the entire point.
how does this affect your rich parents who could also have a 7 million dollar house with the help of teleportation though?
03-06-2017 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juan valdez
how does this affect your rich parents who could also have a 7 million dollar house with the help of teleportation though?
You realize the entire point was a segue about bankruptcy and mortages, right? How that healthcare doesn't scale in the same way real estate does? How is this so hard to understand?

I assume this is when cowardly Wil stops answering the questions about the amount of bankruptcies due to healthcare in the USA, what people could have gotten with a pre-existig condition pre-ACA and just only pivots to personal attacks because he has absolutely no substantive arguments.
03-06-2017 , 04:11 PM
The only way they can win the argument is by misrepresenting the argument. People do see through this though.
03-06-2017 , 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by einbert
The only way they can win the argument is by misrepresenting the argument. People do see through this though.
Correction, they can't win the argument. They can declare victory and stop answering the questions about the topic at hand and switch to insults. That's close enough for Wil though.
03-06-2017 , 04:14 PM

https://twitter.com/absurdistwords/s...30227773632512
03-06-2017 , 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
What argument have I used that was false? Why won't you answer my question? Pre-ACA in the USA, what insurance could my father have qualified that would have absorbed 7 figures in expenses with a pre-existing condition?

What if my parents were not all bootstrappy and well off? What if they were poor and among the 20% of your entire country struggling with medical bills?
Lol. You think only well off, working people had health insurance before the ACA? How much do you actually think an out of pocket health insurance plan for a family of 4 cost before 2010?

This just keeps on getting better.
03-06-2017 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juan valdez
they wouldnt be able to lose their 300k house that could be worth 7 million with the magic of teleportation

are you asking if people should buy health insurance or if it should be provided for them? thats kind of a separate issue that the one we are discussing. here we are talking about people with very little assets striking it rich with teleportation devices and then losing a small portion of that fortune because the person selling them the teleportation device didnt hook them up with insurance
Yea im asking you to forget about teleportation devices and their salesmen for a small second.

What do people living near or below the breadline think of the US system? Is it popular amoungst them?

What happens if you use your insurance can the insurance companies hike up your premium by alot?

I am unfamiliar with the system and paying for health care seems alien and strange to me. I mean we pay for it but we pay for it through taxes obviously.
03-06-2017 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466
No, I think it's because Europe is a dump.

I personally don't like travelling but I can see why Europeans do. If I was stuck there in that hellhole I couldn't wait to see the USA either.

Shrug.
wait wat. europe is most certainly not a dump. the one thing that I could not believe was how clean the cities in europe were. germany esp. I coultn believe it. no trash anywhere. everything clean.
03-06-2017 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466
Lol. You think only well off, working people had health insurance before the ACA? How much do you actually think an out of pocket health insurance plan for a family of 4 cost before 2010?

This just keeps on getting better.
So then tell me. What insurance could my Dad have gotten in the USA pre-ACA with a pre-existing condition? If it's such an easy question, maybe you could answer it? Most people who declare bankruptcy due to medical bills have insurance. Just having insurance isn't enough.
03-06-2017 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
What do people living near or below the breadline think of the US system? Is it popular amoungst them?

http://www.bolemanlaw.com/virginia-b...ppen-to-anyone
Quote:
According to a Harvard University study, 42% of personal bankruptcies in the U.S. are the result of medical expenses.

78% of the bankruptcy filers had some sort of medical insurance.
03-06-2017 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor
wait wat. europe is most certainly not a dump. the one thing that I could not believe was how clean the cities in europe were. germany esp. I coultn believe it. no trash anywhere. everything clean.
Victor, you missed the part where he has never been abroad. He doesn't mention that when he calls Europe a "dump" because yolo.
03-06-2017 , 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juan valdez
the funny thing about this post is given your posting history, its not mocking the previous post, but someone who is unaware of your posting history would certainly assume that

ok the entire scenario initially presented was about rich parents that could be even richer with teleportation but also be burdened with optional insurance and opting out. got it. after all the failed attempts to deal with the mockery, its now apparent that this was just an obvious "segue about bankruptcy and mortages", we missed

the scenario and information he provided was pure nonsense and the only rational conclusion is that it was formulated by someone who is genuinely confused and ignorant
Weird that Bladesman, Einbert, Jalfrezi and others instantly understood it, while you and your two degrees needed something spoken in the smallest easiest way possible. Two degree Juan, with the comprehension of a second grader.
03-06-2017 , 04:23 PM
It's almost like they're intentionally not engaging....
03-06-2017 , 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by einbert
The only way they can win the argument is by misrepresenting the argument. People do see through this though.
You mean like how you misrepresented the Jeff Sessions argument, by stating something unproven as a fact.
03-06-2017 , 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by superslug
Yea im asking you to forget about teleportation devices and their salesmen for a small second.

What do people living near or below the breadline think of the US system? Is it popular amoungst them?

What happens if you use your insurance can the insurance companies hike up your premium by alot?

I am unfamiliar with the system and paying for health care seems alien and strange to me. I mean we pay for it but we pay for it through taxes obviously.
i dont know

i have no option except i can pay extra for private care if i want. otherwise i pay for the system we have which is not optional
03-06-2017 , 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
So then tell me. What insurance could my Dad have gotten in the USA pre-ACA with a pre-existing condition? If it's such an easy question, maybe you could answer it?
Depends on the pre-existing condition, where they live etc.....

Like a knee injury, probably get a rider on anything related to the pre-existing injury and able to get a policy relatively cheap.

The vast majority of states had high risk pools they funded with state funds and fees from the insurance companies. Typically, if turned down by a set number of insurance companies then you would be eligible. My state you would be charged 150% of the average policy.
03-06-2017 , 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Correction, they can't win the argument. They can declare victory and stop answering the questions about the topic at hand and switch to insults. That's close enough for Wil though.
just a truly bizarre exchange. I cant imagine anyone with half a brain could think you were arguing what wil and juan did.

      
m