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03-05-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wil, again, those numbers are total number of people, not distinct people. It also includes people going there for work. The only correct part of your link is that the number of people visiting Europe increases with the dollar. This is common sense as well.

Wil, the only EU country who even has 4% of US visa applications for any category is the UK at 4% for family related claims. The amount of people who try to apply to the USA from western democracies is literally so small the state department doesn't list it in just about every case. All of Europe combined is at under 3% overall.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam...ngListItem.pdf

Here's the site. Look yourself. People from stable western democracies just don't seek to come to the USA en masse. Most people enjoy where they live, just like you do. You like living in the USA. People in the Netherlands generally like the Netherlands. Same with Italy and just about every other stable democratic nation. How is this not common sense to you? Pride in one's culture, country and place of residence isn't solely an American thing.
You're taking him far too seriously - when confronted with a chimp in the zoo it's better just to point, laugh and make funny faces and noises at him.
03-05-2017 , 06:00 PM
Isn't there an entire thread for immigration & refugees? Why are we moving it into the Trump thread? Jesus.
03-05-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're taking him far too seriously - when confronted with a chimp in the zoo it's better just to point, laugh and make funny faces and noises at him.
Sure, but after feverishly posting quick responses he's shut the **** up because we posted the rest of his links, shown that they don't support his argument at all and can't keep calling me a liar because everyone is laughing at him confusing citizenship with visas. He doesn't feel shame, won't admit he was wrong or anything, but it at least stops him from vomiting on his keyboard for half an hour. We basically just gave a chimp immodium so he would stop flinging his feces at us. I'm ok with it only lasting an hour.
03-05-2017 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Isn't there an entire thread for immigration & refugees? Why are we moving it into the Trump thread? Jesus.
One word: wilpoo
03-05-2017 , 06:10 PM
What informed american would want to travel to areas where the people hate you and are only pretending to be nice to you to get your tourist money, they have poor hygiene, bad teeth, their women are hairy, the water is dirty, the food is ants, crickets and goat uterus and the national past time is prostitution and pick pocketing??


The architecture is nice in places tho, but meh
03-05-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
We are talking about Visas and he literally linked this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...3-9013013.html

to refute it. The article is about people applying for CITIZENSHIP to Belgium. He does not know the difference between applying for a Visa with applying for citizenship. How he cannot differentiate the two vastly different words is beyond my ****ing comprehension. He does not understand the visa process and the ability to move around in Europe at all. I'm not even sure he understands what citizenship is at this moment.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
It's common sense Wil. If people wanted to come to the USA so much, they'd apply to do so. That's why a lot of people from Mexico, India, Philippines etc do so.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Well, the first point is that a ton of people don't want to live in the USA. Of everyone who wants to come, under 10% are allowed in per year.

So, we don't need to invent strawmen of tens or hundreds of millions wanting to live in the USA when it's so far removed from reality.
Nearly 1/4 of all people applying for a Visa are mexican residents seeking to join their families. Next, is residents of the Philippines hoping to do the same thing. After that, it is people from India and it is nearly all work Visas.
Again, you're the one who said this, not me. If no one wanted to live in the USA I don't see how the USA grants a million people a year permanent residency. I'm well aware there are differences between work and travel visas. YOU said "live there", which implies RESIDENCY. If they wanted to go ride Space Mountain I don't think I'd consider them wanting to LIVE here.

You're the one talking in circles, not me. Visit, work, and live are very different things.
03-05-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
What informed american would want to travel to areas where the people hate you and are only pretending to be nice to you to get your tourist money, they have poor hygiene, bad teeth, their women are hairy, the water is dirty, the food is ants, crickets and goat uterus and the national past time is prostitution and pick pocketing??
Not many, but it sounds ideal for you.
03-05-2017 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're also in the 80% of stay-at-homes-and-don't-have-a-passport, but please continue to post about Europe, it's very entertaining.
Really? Would you like to bet on this?
03-05-2017 , 06:13 PM
James Comey says wiretapping claim is false and asks the Justice Department to refute it, but so far they appear to not want to throw the president under the bus

Sorry if this post is a little too on-topic to interrupt the immigration & refugees discussion here
03-05-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Really? Would you like to bet on this?
Oh right, you went to Canada once.

Awesome!


In the meantime, please continue to post about Europe, as I requetsed. TIA
03-05-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Oh right, you went to Canada once.

Awesome!
So, we betting?
03-05-2017 , 06:15 PM
Wil, can you cite where I said "no one wanted to live in the USA?" The closest you can come up with is me saying
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Well, the first point is that a ton of people don't want to live in the USA
, which is undoubtedly true.

Remember how upthread I said that Wil while not being ashamed at not knowing the difference between visas and citizenship, might be smart enough to take an hour off of posting? Whoops.
03-05-2017 , 06:16 PM
Beyond me how Trump can continue to act this way and have nothing happen to him. We've become a running joke to the rest of the world as a result of this fool, who hasn't managed to do a single positive or progressive thing so far.
03-05-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Also you can't say USA #1 any more now that the Orange Monster is in charge. We are a joke in the eyes of the world now. Maybe we can regain that superpower status one day but for now we are just another country teetering on the brink of democracy and authoritarianism.
Yeah, you're right. USA #2.

Real quick, who's #1 now? Someone passed us in super power status, I missed that. Which country was it again?
03-05-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
So, we betting?
Betting on you never having been out of the Americas?
03-05-2017 , 06:17 PM

https://twitter.com/Millicentsomer/s...59660549304320

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/sta...93112385228800
03-05-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Oh right, you went to Canada once.

Awesome!


In the meantime, please continue to post about Europe, as I requetsed. TIA
You didn't need a passport to travel within North America until 2007, so it definitely wasn't a slam dunk Wil had a passport. He still doesn't understand EU Visas though, and obviously is taking no time to learn.

Wil, have you figured out the difference between citizenship and a visa?
03-05-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wil, can you cite where I said "no one wanted to live in the USA?" The closest you can come up with is me saying , which is undoubtedly true.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Well, the first point is that a ton of people don't want to live in the USA.
I don't know if English is your first language but a million people a year is a lot of people, especially considering its the highest immigration amount in the world. Also, to put it in perspective a million people is literally 20% of the population of Ireland. A YEAR. Canada has 35 million people. In ten years that would be equivalent of approximately 1/3 of the population of the entire country.

Now, I don't know how you define "a ton" of people, but in terms of

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Well, the first point is that a ton of people don't want to live in the USA.
, I don't see how you could be more wrong.
03-05-2017 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol, no, cite the fake news that Trump is being subjected to almost non-stop 24/7 or stfu with this nonsense claim.
Oh, goofy I nearly forgot but here you go. Just a small sample.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/...nce-trump-won/
03-05-2017 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Betting on you never having been out of the Americas?
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're also in the 80% of stay-at-homes-and-don't-have-a-passport, but please continue to post about Europe, it's very entertaining.
That wasn't what you claimed.

Bet or no?
03-05-2017 , 06:26 PM
Betting on you not having a passport?

Or betting on you having a reading age of about 8?
03-05-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Oh, goofy I nearly forgot but here you go. Just a small sample.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/...nce-trump-won/
Uh, no, you said he's being subjected to fake news almost non-stop 24/7 right now and that's why he fires back with his dumb tweets about wiretapping. This is an article from nearly a month ago.

Cite the fake news being reported on Trump right now or stfu with this nonsense claim.
03-05-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Betting on you not having a passport?

Or betting on you having a reading age of about 8?
I'm confident on both. 1k each?
03-05-2017 , 06:31 PM
Wil, I was the one who supplied those numbers. I first posted the number of visa applicants, the number accepted, then said "a ton of people don't want to live in the USA." This was in opposition to people saying 'everyone in the world would want to live in the USA (Mong)" or "why don't we let 300m people in?" Obviously there are a ton of people who don't want to live in the USA. This is just like, common sense. Even if this statement is taken in *literal terms* it just means ~2000 people don't want to live in the USA. Hard to imagine you think this is false!

Also, you realize that not all the people who are issued Visas stay and become citizens, correct? I still don't think you get the difference between citizenship and visas which is so, so simple.
03-05-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
You literally couldn't be more wrong. If you went to every living person in a Western country and asked them "would you rather stay in your country or move to the USA with similar opportunities" I would be absolutely shocked if over 10% said they would prefer the USA. Have you ever traveled mong? The USA is not a super popular place outside it's borders. Why do you think the vast majority of people immigrate to the USA from poorer countries? If immigrants are after "free stuff" like the right usually thinks, why wouldn't they want to go to any European country or Canada, where the social safety nets are much more extensive?
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Originally Posted by wil318466
But this is what you said. You are implying people don't really want to come to the US yet it leads the world in permanent residency granted per year. Then you and jalfrezi imply they would rather go somewhere else.

Where else? Provide us the numbers. Who wants to go somewhere else so badly over the US?

Here's Belgium. Lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.indep...013.html%3Famp

No one, it seem, was quite outstanding enough. The French-language daily La Libre reported this week that of the 508 people who had applied under the new naturalisation laws from January to the end of November, not one was expected to be approved.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I'm implying that very few people from democratically stable countries apply for residency in the USA. Those that do, do so because they were accepted into a USA college or offered a job. You started spouting off about letting in hundreds of millions of people, I responded with the actual numbers of people who apply.

Wil, I don't think you understand that comparing the USA numbers to any EU country is a giant false equivalence due to the laws regarding the EU. Also, why are you comparing granting citizenship with people applying for a Visa? These are completely different things. They are not comparable at all. Why are you comparing them?
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Again, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID THIS:



I didn't say it, YOU did. So, where are all those people applying to that utopia of Belgium?

Don't come up with bad criteria then start sputtering when people ask you to back it up. The US takes in more people than any other country on the planet. More people want to come here, as evidenced by applications, just as you said. USA #1. What's up now?

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wil, you clearly don't understand how people apply for visas in the EU.
You posted that Belgium didn't grant CITIZENSHIP to people much last year. Applying for citizenship is much, MUCH different than applying for a Visa. How are you not understanding the difference between citizenship and a visa?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_p..._Schengen_Area

You genuinely appear to have no knowledge of the EU and it's policies. You really, really should read this and understand the vast difference between an American visa and a Visa for this area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...migration_rate

USA net migration is less than Belgium.

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