I was under the impression permanent residence is around 1 million a year. I was also under the impression we take more immigrants than any other country.

Not sure how we have such a discrepancy and you describe USA as a dump.

Uh no. I think you'll find that most Europeans enjoy the shorter working weeks, much longer holidays, weekends to themselves and generally better food and wine.

And then there's the politics...

So that's 350M people accounted for. Admittedly there are probably billions in India and China who'd gladly move to the US if they had a job to go to, but they'd probably also move to Europe if they could.

How's life in your cloud cuckoo land?

You literally couldn't be more wrong. If you went to every living person in a Western country and asked them "would you rather stay in your country or move to the USA with similar opportunities" I would be absolutely shocked if over 10% said they would prefer the USA. Have you ever traveled mong? The USA is not a super popular place outside it's borders. Why do you think the vast majority of people immigrate to the USA from poorer countries? If immigrants are after "free stuff" like the right usually thinks, why wouldn't they want to go to any European country or Canada, where the social safety nets are much more extensive?

I'm sure you have a citation for this? You wouldn't want to be lying, since you hate lying so much?

Can you prove this instead of using your mind reading skills, which are usually incorrect?

It's common sense Wil. If people wanted to come to the USA so much, they'd apply to do so. That's why a lot of people from Mexico, India, Philippines etc do so.

I assume you've never been to Europe or Canada? You seem totally out of touch with reality of the opinions of your country beyond your borders.

Most people in third world countries would jump at the chance to live in the US if given that chance.

Citation for the US taking in a million people a year and it being the highest number in the world? Or you implying no one wants to come here?

I mean, we could easily just look up the numbers for permanent residency to the US and... Which European paradise did you have in mind?

Fine. I'm OK with that. Prove it though, please.

Unlike you I don't need mind-reading skills, and unlike you I don't have to invent fictitious friends to support fictitious anecdotes.

When I bold something, maybe that's the thing I'd like a citation Wil.

Where did I imply "nobody wants to come to the USA?" Is that where I posted the figure of over 4 million people currently with visa applications in qeue?

Wil, people enjoy their culture. Given equal opportunity it is so, so rare that anyone in a Western democracy would prefer to live in the USA unless they would have a significantly better life in the USA. This is just common sense. Moving you/your entire family is a huge commitment. Very few people do this on a whim.

Which is vastly different from what Mong said.

That's still a hell of a lot of people.

But this is what you said. You are implying people don't really want to come to the US yet it leads the world in permanent residency granted per year. Then you and jalfrezi imply they would rather go somewhere else.

Where else? Provide us the numbers. Who wants to go somewhere else so badly over the US?

Here's Belgium. Lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.indep...013.html%3Famp

No one, it seem, was quite outstanding enough. The French-language daily La Libre reported this week that of the 508 people who had applied under the new naturalisation laws from January to the end of November, not one was expected to be approved.

People will make a drastic change to their lives and uproot themselves or their family if they expect their lives to get significantly better as a result. The same people would go to Britain or Canada or the Netherlands as well.

You guys want to turn away refugees RIGHT NOW. We're not judging you by some future morality. Your beliefs are repugnant at this very moment. The decision to turn away Jewish refugees was terrible, and you guys want to do it again! And then, in tne future you'll say "Hey, how could we have known?" Well, you could have known by paying ****ing attention to the mistakes of history.

Liberals are ALWAYS right. Ban slavery, give women the right to vote, end Jim Crow, accept Jewish refugees, allow gays to marry. We just keep getting things right again and again and again despite people who think like you. For once you should just get the hell out of the way.

Yes, there are a lot of people in developing nations who'd want to move to the US if they could get by there, but most of those are very poor people with very bad lives who'd jump at the chance to move to a lot of countries.

I'm implying that very few people from democratically stable countries apply for residency in the USA. Those that do, do so because they were accepted into a USA college or offered a job. You started spouting off about letting in hundreds of millions of people, I responded with the actual numbers of people who apply.

Wil, I don't think you understand that comparing the USA numbers to any EU country is a giant false equivalence due to the laws regarding the EU. Also, why are you comparing granting citizenship with people applying for a Visa? These are completely different things. They are not comparable at all. Why are you comparing them?

The Obama admin was vetting refugees. You can keep lying about it or come to grips with reality.

Yeah but you didn't imply that. This is what you said :

Followed by :

So I asked you to prove it with the criteria YOU came up with, by number of applicants.

You can't. As usual, you are incorrect. This is like a joke, dude. I didn't even say anything, you did, and you buried yourself in your own argument as always.

Lol

I would think people want to live somewhere if they apply for something permanent, call me crazy. As far as just visiting, I'm sure many people come visit Europe, especially from the US , since we have more money than them.

WAT? Where did I say he wasn't?

Wil, you've never left the USA, have you?

Why do you think a majority of people who have lived their entire lives in countries they love would rather live in the USA, a country with vastly different culture, language and social services to most other Western democracies? What is your logic behind a large amount of people in countries like Holland, France, Italy, Canada wanting to live in the USA?

But why would they go there, when they can just stroll across the border into the US.

And once they're in you guys would just let them stay.

I've been to that dump up north, Canada. Their prime minister is an embarrassment.

Again, YOU said to judge it by number of applicants. Go ahead. We are waiting.