Dox, you realize you're wrong here? Here is an article about a Canadian whose parents were born in Morocco being denied entry into the USA. There have been dozens of similar instances since the travel ban of people from countries that weren't from the 7 listed, had never been to those countries but were refused entry because they were muslim.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...rder-1.3976230

Van Jones is correct; Trump hit a home run last night.

Well, you literally thought fascists supported and enriched common folk like, 5 minutes ago. Maybe a bit of introspection or reading is necessary? Maybe a citation of other western nations gutting their administrations, policies that help minorities in favor of defense spending?

System, Trump will get a bump from the speech. Supremely stupid people will again use the word "pivot." Then, he'll wake up at 5 am Sunday and throw an all caps tirade at SNL, unleash a new travel ban and his numbers will go back down to 37%.

This critique of Trump's speech last night from Politico is commentary, but I think it makes some very good points about the impossibility of fulfilling all the promises Trump made last night. I'm curious if any Trumpkins disagree with these quoted arguments:

This isn't even getting into the individual things he lied about or misrepresented, of which they were many - simply the basic promises he outlined are going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible (lower taxes, higher spending, AND less debt? lol, yeah, okay) to achieve. Trumpkins, do you not ask yourselves at this point: how the hell is he going to do this? Or do you not care?

Goofy, they were all promised ponies but if they see a picture of a horse on the internet they'll be all "good enough."

Yeah, this is scary. Trump is not actually doing anything better or differently:



...but he's figuring out how to message the same terrible things he was always going to do into a more palatable format for the public.

Unsurprisingly, acting 'normal' excited 'normalizers'.

E.C. votes - 306 to 232

Senate seats - 52 to 48

House seats - 241 to 194

Love it.

I wonder if you have ever really sat down and thought about what true leadership is about?

This is more of a philosophical question. Leadership is about getting the most out of the people following you. It's about getting them all on the same page and believing in a common goal. It's not about ensuring the equation is correct, we aren't engineering a new car.

In so many things in life we run into so many who have the attitude of "why bother", or "we can't win, so stop trying". Yet so often we see the exact opposite happen, where some surprising things occur when a group of people actually put in effort and believe in each other. If the world was full of people like you, we'd be speaking German right now.

Raising spending, lowering taxes, and decreasing the debt all at the same time is significantly harder to make workable than drawing up a plan to invade Nazi-occupied Europe in 1944. This is nonsense hyperbole that echoes Trump's speech last night in basically waving a magic sparkle wand over some words and saying "we can have everything we want, and more!".

Let me put it differently. Some things in the world are difficult but achievable, while others are downright impossible. How does your argument here ("jesus goofy, maybe believe a little harder") allow for the possibility of distinguishing between the two?

Is it unreasonable to wonder how the president plans to accomplish all of these goals he laid out?

Not sure what you are talking about. I was talking about deportation of illegal immigrants (primarily Mexican), not the temp travel ban.

There may be things you aren't considering. Blind faith is loltastic, I agree. That doesn't mean we can't achieve quite a lot with what he's putting forth. We might not be able to achieve all of it but maybe we can do a lot of it.

Economics is complicated, yet we could see some real growth here. With lower taxes, repatriation of overseas funds, infrastructure spending, deregulation, we could possibly be in a position to enjoy a huge economic expansion. The tax code and the economy makes a lot of problems go away, just like it did during the Clinton years. That, in turn, could put us in a position to do a lot of things you think aren't currently possible.

Of course, we could **** it all up and collapse the economy and deregulation could put us in the same situation we were in a decade ago.

Personally, I'm rooting for the rosier side.

By the way - many people thought Europe was lost at one point.

Handled it poorly in terms of messaging.

Targeted at all immigrants - that is total bull****.

pdox, this is a story to watch as it develops (still pretty hot off the press atm) - ICE detains a 22 year old Dreamer after she speaks out at immigration press conference

I have a feeling the border agents knew this guy was coming before he got there. You left out the part about how the border agents found a picture of him with a guy who allegedly left Canada to go to Syria to fight along side Islamic terrorists.

I think they should have explained (and they may have) to him why they weren't letting him cross the border since a lot of people are assuming his race could have played a part.

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Obama literally said he was going to decrease unemployment while raising MW and starting obamacare. He also talked about growing the economy (long-term) while wanting to increase taxes and increase gov't spending. In one of the debates hillary was asked about what she will do for the unemployed and she talked about increasing MW. Politicians don't understand economics.

mickey - you guys hate Obama, regaling me with tales that Trump is just repeating Obama's mistakes (as you see them) isn't exactly a convincing argument that you think Trump will be a good president.

Maybe there are no 'liberal tears' to harvest from your post?

I read the article about the Illinois community pilar with two old DUI convictions. Interesting. Not sure where I come down on that. Prolly in his favor, because I think having citizen children should be a consideration. Prolly should even matter that they are very young children. Plus, not sure if DUI is a felony or misdemeanor. Also, no deportation yet.

This highlights how there should be lots of criteria, including job status, and years resident here. I could see an arg that an adult without a job and without kids and who has been here less than 1 year (longer?) should be deported. Most of the discussion has been around the two extremes (deport convicted felons, and allow Dreamers to stay, etc.), but little has been said about all the in between situations.

Another interesting article, googy, about the Dreamer (with expired DACA status - reapplying). I expect she will be allowed to stay. There is some question to be drawn re whether the arrest was retaliation for the press conference/event she did.

On my to do list: check for circumstances like this under Obama. What did he deport, 500,000? Any of them have small children? Any pillars of communities? Any of them guilty of only non-serious misdemeanors?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/tak...acle/?referer=

"On Monday, The Times reported that most of those deported by the Obama administration don’t fit the profile of serious criminals, threats to public safety, 'the worst of the worst,' as Janet Napolitano, Mr. Obama’s first Homeland Security secretary, used to put it.

Far from it. 'Two-thirds of the nearly two million deportation cases,' Ginger Thompson wrote, 'involve people who had committed minor infractions, including traffic violations, or had no criminal record at all.'" [Emphasis added.]

Admittedly, "Obama did it too" is not a good excuse for Trump.

That said, it goes to my point that this is messy. If you're saying Trump is doing poorly, you have to say, compared to what? What should he be doing differently?

Of course fascism when it comes to American again won't be like Nazi Germany. Fascism is unique to each country's history. In America it will be radicalized, it will be anti brown and black, it will cast whites as innocent victims of nefarious outsiders, it will be Protestant and pious, it will venerate the military. Like I've said in other places, the KKK and the "Redeemer" governments of the South after Reconstruction were fascist governments. Once you realize we've already had fascism in America before, you'll realize it's not some exotic idea foreign to Americans, it's always been here.

Instead of doing a comparison, maybe forget the past and just look to whether we see these events as right or wrong in the now. This isn't about being against trump-doings as a general rule. It's about being against things that we think aren't right. I'm not going to sit here and apologize for Obama for doing equally ****ty things.

Oh, I think it is against Trump-doings. And I already (pre)responded, above, now quoted below.

This has been unrelated to the travel ban and such instances have still happened this week.