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02-27-2017 , 09:44 PM
In more local news, my commute home is going to be interrupted due to Market Street being evacuated near my office due to a bomb threat called in to the SF Anti-Defamation League - apparently there have been 90 of these bomb threats to Jewish institutions nationwide just this year. But no worries, mickey assured me hate is on the decline!
02-27-2017 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Conservatives = White Supremacists

Aw! The old conservatives=white supremacist argument.

When you say ignorant things like this, it makes it increasingly less likely people are going to take your ramblings seriously.
02-27-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
If she was convicted of a crime that serious, why would she be out on the street and not in jail? You said "catching" her as if there was a warrant out for her arrest when there's no evidence that was the case. You're letting your imagination run reeeeeal wild with this one.
I don't know what crime it was, or how long she may have already served in jail.

It said she had a criminal record. I thought she served her time, or was deported, and returned to the U.S.

Re catching her, I am talking about ICE catching her for deportation, not for a current or new crime.

I think we have already established that they are only catching/deporting those with felony records, not misdemeanors.
02-27-2017 , 09:49 PM
Well, there was the recent roundup where I think ~25% of the people detained in raids didn't have felony convictions but I think you wrote that one off as collateral damage. We've gone a little bit down this road and every step of the way you've found a reason to justify the administration's actions even as they deter farther from their original promises.
02-27-2017 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
In more local news, my commute home is going to be interrupted due to Market Street being evacuated near my office due to a bomb threat called in to the SF Anti-Defamation League - apparently there have been 90 of these bomb threats to Jewish institutions nationwide just this year. But no worries, mickey assured me hate is on the decline!
Do you think Obamas non-veto at the UN may have had something to do with this?
02-27-2017 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Do you think Obamas non-veto at the UN may have had something to do with this?
No
02-27-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Aw! The old conservatives=white supremacist argument.

When you say ignorant things like this, it makes it increasingly less likely people are going to take your ramblings seriously.
What argument? It's just obvious at this point. I'm not interested in whether Nazis like yourself take me seriously, we know people like you are a lost cause at this point.
02-27-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Conservatives = White Supremacists

Busted racists. Conservatives barely have any plausible denial left after 45.
02-27-2017 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
What argument? It's just obvious at this point. I'm not interested in whether Nazis like yourself take me seriously, we know people like you are a lost cause at this point.
I'm not really a Nazi. I just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
02-27-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Conservatives = White Supremacists

Similar to saying radical Islamic jihad, we are not making any friends by lumping conservatives and white supremacists.

To all conservatives here, why do you think white supremacists are supporting voter ID laws? Maybe you should break with them on that.
02-27-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Apparently these illegal immigrants aren't necessarily undocumented. Now for the bad news.

http://cis.org/IdentityTheft

I think there will be plenty to discuss after you all read this. I don't know how many of you have been victims of identity theft, but I do know you should understand the pain it causes its victims.
Pain has been added to the repetitive criminality narrative you bring. All the human pain in such scenarios, or is that cherry picking for pain?
02-27-2017 , 10:22 PM
02-27-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Similar to saying radical Islamic jihad, we are not making any friends by lumping conservatives and white supremacists.

To all conservatives here, why do you think white supremacists are supporting voter ID laws? Maybe you should break with them on that.
Correctly identifying the cabal of rotten influences in their party is actually a friendly thing to do for conservatives who don't want to be racist and bigoted by brand association; and aren't aware it's happening.
02-27-2017 , 10:25 PM

02-27-2017 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Correctly identifying the cabal of rotten influences in their party is actually a friendly thing to do for conservatives who don't want to be racist and bigoted by brand association; and aren't aware it's happening.
Sure, just like it's friendly to Muslims to say Islam=radical, backwards, bloodthirsty murderers. Sylar's absolutely correct.

Both are absurd. Saying something stupid like conservatives=nazis is an easy way to get conservatives to dismiss anything you say, regardless of its merit.

If you're truly interested in changing opinions (unlikely, all of this 'debate' here amounts to poo flinging, which is fine) the way to do so is to find some common ground, then demonstrate how those beliefs might lead people to different conclusions than what they previously believed.

But most of you are clearly off the rails and spiraling into frothy cariactures, so here we are.
02-27-2017 , 10:35 PM
Looks like a racism cover-up. First backing off voter ID investigation and now discrediting the Ferguson report.

Plus, what is a trumpist like Sessions doing using words like "scientifically"?
02-27-2017 , 10:36 PM
I don't have anything in common with Nazis. I kick Nazis in the teeth before breakfast.
02-27-2017 , 10:40 PM
For the love of cake, people. Now is the time to be PROUD of your liberal values, if you have any deep inside you anywhere. Do not be coy about the fact that you love democracy, one person one vote, due process, equal representation under the law, and all that other stuff that conservatives clearly don't give the first **** about. Now is the time to stand up and be counted. Hitler wasn't defeated by people listening to him patiently. We are better than they are, goddammit. Now is not the time to be coy, but the time to be strong.
02-27-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Correctly identifying the cabal of rotten influences in their party is actually a friendly thing to do for conservatives who don't want to be racist and bigoted by brand association; and aren't aware it's happening.
Identifying doesn't mean equating. Give them a chance to reverse their policy, rather than corner them into an identity crisis.
02-27-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
Sure, just like it's friendly to Muslims to say Islam=radical, backwards, bloodthirsty murderers. Sylar's absolutely correct.

Both are absurd. Saying something stupid like conservatives=nazis is an easy way to get conservatives to dismiss anything you say, regardless of its merit.

If you're truly interested in changing opinions (unlikely, all of this 'debate' here amounts to poo flinging, which is fine) the way to do so is to find some common ground, then demonstrate how those beliefs might lead people to different conclusions than what they previously believed.

But most of you are clearly off the rails and spiraling into frothy cariactures, so here we are.
ok, lets find common ground.

what do you think of the current attorney general, sessions, disregarding the ferguson report as shown in einberts post above?

what do you think of sessions being denied a federal judgeship due to racism in the past?

what do you think of sessions being linked to voter disenfranchisement of minorities in the past?

what do you think of voter id laws, which have been found to disenfranchise black voters, being allowed by this administration?
02-27-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Correctly identifying the cabal of rotten influences in their party is actually a friendly thing to do for conservatives who don't want to be racist and bigoted by brand association; and aren't aware it's happening.
Voter ID laws are insane obviously but if they were suppressing the votes of mostly white democrats, do you really think the conservative push for them would be different at all?

Fringe whack jobs holding the same position for more odious reasons doesn't let you map on that moral failing onto the entire republican party.
02-27-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
Sure, just like it's friendly to Muslims to say Islam=radical, backwards, bloodthirsty murderers. Sylar's absolutely correct.

Both are absurd. Saying something stupid like conservatives=nazis is an easy way to get conservatives to dismiss anything you say, regardless of its merit.

If you're truly interested in changing opinions (unlikely, all of this 'debate' here amounts to poo flinging, which is fine) the way to do so is to find some common ground, then demonstrate how those beliefs might lead people to different conclusions than what they previously believed.

But most of you are clearly off the rails and spiraling into frothy cariactures, so here we are.
No, it's not absurd, it's audacious. And, it's bad news for some. Just like extremists hijack religion and do stuff in the name of that religion, extremists hijack political wings and do stuff in the name of that wing.

As for the rest of your post, I can't even give you props for good guessing. That is terrible guesswork. Poo does get flung though, I see that too.
02-27-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
Voter ID laws are insane obviously but if they were suppressing the votes of mostly white democrats, do you really think the conservative push for them would be different at all?

Fringe whack jobs holding the same position for more odious reasons doesn't let you map on that moral failing onto the entire republican party.
The former Republican Senator, Republican AG approved by the Republican Senate is a fringe whack job. Are you familiar with his career?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/m...nt-escape.html
02-27-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
No, it's not absurd, it's audacious. And, it's bad news for some. Just like extremists hijack religion and do stuff in the name of that religion, extremists hijack political wings and do stuff in the name of that wing.

As for the rest of your post, I can't even give you props for good guessing. That is terrible guesswork. Poo does get flung though, I see that too.
Consider this.

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Let the other person save face. Nothing diminishes the dignity of a man quite like an insult to his pride. If we don't condemn our employees in front of others and allow them to save face, they will be motivated to do better in the future and confident that they can.
Praise every improvement. People love to receive praise and admiration. If we truly want someone to improve at something, we must praise their every advance. "Abilities wither under criticism, they blossom under encouragement."[7]
Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to. If we give people a great reputation to live up to, they will desire to embody the characteristics with which we have described them. People will work with vigor and confidence if they believe they can be better.
Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct. If a desired outcome seems like a momentous task, people will give up and lose heart. But if a fault seems easy to correct, they will readily jump at the opportunity to improve. If we frame objectives as small and easy improvements, we will see dramatic increases in desire and success in our employees.
02-27-2017 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
Voter ID laws are insane obviously but if they were suppressing the votes of mostly white democrats, do you really think the conservative push for them would be different at all?

Fringe whack jobs holding the same position for more odious reasons doesn't let you map on that moral failing onto the entire republican party.
Insanely obvious racism doesn't leave me wanting to spend time dallying with what if it wasn't. Trying to suppress each other's ability to vote is not something I'd make myself involved with.

Republicans who want to escape the partisan consequences of being known by those who leads them can become independent or openly denounce those leaders. Or something besides conspire with them and help cover them up.

      
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