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02-17-2017 , 02:22 PM
02-17-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
The liberals ITT got buried in the minimum wage conversation.
If minimum wage is so obviously bad and your arguments so good, then you should lobby the GOP congress to repeal it.
02-17-2017 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You're wrong.

You could, perhaps, argue that the articles reporting this are sourced anonymously and we don't know the full story from sources that won't go on the record. But saying "check your facts" or "fake news" is just displaying a total disregard for reality.
That's exactly what fake news is.

Lol
02-17-2017 , 02:47 PM
"The generalizations strike back!"
02-17-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
That's exactly what fake news is.

Lol
LOL. No. Words have meaning. Remember this post, dude?

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You're certainly welcome to form different opinions from the same set of facts, but reacting to every anti-Trump article with "fake news" because you've built your own internal echo chamber where only the facts you like make it out alive just turns you into the utter Trump stooge we all know you as.
Turns out that's a pretty accurate judgement, just look at this **** here. Pathetic.
02-17-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
If minimum wage is so obviously bad and your arguments so good, then you should lobby the GOP congress to repeal it.
Fighting to end MW is bad politics in the same way trying to fix welfare, SS, medicare, teachers pension, etc are. That doesn't mean there isn't a need to try to fix things. It just means politicians are too scared to try to make the change we need because the other side will paint them as trying to take away the old people, sick people, and teachers benefits.
02-17-2017 , 03:33 PM
Here's a good class in Fake News from this morning:

AP reported that the Trump admin is considering mobilizing up to 100k National Guard troops for immigration roundups.

The WH categorically denied it:



At this point people like Sushy would dutifully report to internet sites everywhere to crow "Fake news! Fake news!" as loud as their fingers could type, except of course that AP has now published the draft memo.

These dip****s just lie, and lie, and lie and half the country (well, a little less now) believes them.
02-17-2017 , 03:47 PM
Trump's own cabinet needs to translate from his off the cuff remarks into things that don't scare the **** out of the rest of the world, because Trump is a baby and might not even know what one-state versus two-state even means:

U.N. Envoy Says U.S. Still Backs Palestinian State

In which Nikki Haley ensures the world we still support a two-state solution.
02-17-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Here's a good class in Fake News from this morning:

AP reported that the Trump admin is considering mobilizing up to 100k National Guard troops for immigration roundups.

The WH categorically denied it:



At this point people like Sushy would dutifully report to internet sites everywhere to crow "Fake news! Fake news!" as loud as their fingers could type, except of course that AP has now published the draft memo.

These dip****s just lie, and lie, and lie and half the country (well, a little less now) believes them.
I think you are too blinded by your anti-Trump fervor to even possibly consider why this bizarre sequence of events occurred.

Last edited by Morishita System; 02-17-2017 at 04:34 PM.
02-17-2017 , 04:28 PM
From one vantage point it looks like an administration trying to incite some internal unrest and rebellion- or at least some acrimony, fear, and confusion.
02-17-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mori****a System
I think you are too partisan and anti-Trump to understand what is going on here.
Oh mercy me, please proceed.
02-17-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I don't necessarily prefer him on the issues--his views are arguably worse than Trump's on some things.
I presume that is because Pence is obviously further to the right than TRUMP on at several things.

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I doubt Pence screws up foreign policy and alliances the way Trump might.
We'll have to see but actually arguably relations with Israel are already improved. His meeting with the Japanese and UK Prime Minister's seemed to go well. His meeting with Trudeau seemed to come off pretty well too. You could be right but he doesn't seem to be doing poorly with USA allies.


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But a Trump resignation is a stinging defeat for Trumpism-the callous authoritarian ignorance that has driven the Republicans further rightward. It certainly helps to weaken Republicans in general, which is good from my point of view.
Obviously not regarding Pence. Pence is clearly to the right of TRUMP on social issues. Pence is also clearly more hawkish on foreign policy. Google is your friend if you don't believe that.
02-17-2017 , 04:34 PM
I like how More****ty thinks he's making gotchas great again when actually the reasoning in the image is a scenario the critics are contemplating as possible and preferable.

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Originally Posted by Mori****a System
02-17-2017 , 04:47 PM
Lol @ any "liberal" preferring pence over Trump. If you guys are butthurt now you'd go wild if pence became president.
02-17-2017 , 05:12 PM
From NYT's report on Harward turning down Flynn's job, this part makes it even more embarrassing for Trump:

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Mr. Trump suggested earlier Thursday that he had demanded Mr. Flynn’s resignation on Monday partly because of enthusiasm about an unnamed person he had in mind to replace him. The president had known since last month that Mr. Flynn had misrepresented conversations he had with the Russian ambassador to the United States, before Mr. Trump was inaugurated, about American sanctions on Moscow.

“I have somebody that I think will be outstanding for the position,” Mr. Trump said at a news conference on Thursday. “And that also helps, I think, in the making of my decision.”

But by then Mr. Harward, who is a top executive at Lockheed Martin, had decided he was not willing to take the post. He wrote to Mr. Trump and Mr. Mattis conveying his decision, two of the officials said.
Harward didn't feel the same way. Sad!
02-17-2017 , 05:57 PM




Notably, that seems to be The Donald's second attempt at that tweet:



SICK!
02-17-2017 , 06:11 PM
Enemy?
02-17-2017 , 06:19 PM
Are you guys getting tired of all the winning yet?

#SAD!
02-17-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
The electoral results stuff is just trivia. So, he got wrong information. Who cares? It's not important.

As for Shep, he's just falling for some of the mass hysteria going around. He'll come to his senses.
Seems pretty important to him as he has talked about it literally every single day.

And lol at not caring if the president doesn't take a second to check his facts.
02-17-2017 , 06:28 PM
If Trump can't arrange his own meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus, how does he unite the country?

Article is analysis/opinion, but does lay out a particularly weird scene from the press conference yesterday, wherein a black reporter asked about Trump's plans for the inner cities and asked if he intended to consult with the Congressional Black Caucus on those plans. Trump bizarrely asks the reporter if she, I guess because she's black, would like to set up the meeting?

02-17-2017 , 07:14 PM
Trump sent a "mainstream media accountability survey" to his supporters filled with questions like "do you believe that the media creates false feuds within our Party in order to make us seem divided?"

Today, the campaign sent a followup email saying Democrats are answering the survey and sabotaging the results. LOL
02-17-2017 , 08:21 PM
I got the sense Trump wrote the questions himself:

Do you believe that contrary to what the media says, raising taxes does not create jobs?

Do you believe that the mainstream media does not do their due diligence fact-checking before publishing stories on the Trump administration?
02-17-2017 , 08:24 PM
Re: Trump tweet earlier

02-17-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
On the CBO, they model what they are tasked to model. Congress gives them their tasks. People that lose their jobs are of course going to look for ways to make up for lost income. So my take on this post is that you are fine with moving more people to working in the "underground economy" because they won't endure that much hardship?
It's a complicated issue and a lot depends on where and how it's implemented.

The point is that measuring job losses purely in terms of legal, wage driven jobs is disingenuous if your objective is to figure out the impact it has on low income people.

People who talk about the consensus positions of economist on the issue of min wage are completely talking out of their asses. You can also find a quasi consensus in support of wage subsidies to address the same issue, except they can be easily gamed so it's not practical and you have to turn to second best solutions to address poverty.

The point of contention in most cases has nothing to do with the efficiency of the solution though - it's whether the government should be improving the quality of life of people at the bottom or leaving them to rot.

      
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