Can't speak to anyone here talking about others lying about their profession, but people very clearly lie about their political ideology and who they voted for all over the Internet. It usually occurs in the form of someone claiming they're a "moderate", "centrist", or an "Independent", followed by 97% of their posts taking a decidedly right-wing extremist tone. Feel free to look up the departed Ikes for a perfect example.

Are they described as being "right-wing extremist" in tone by SJWs or normal people?

A guy on my local news forum tried this tact during the election season. "I'm not a conservative", "I don't like Trump", "I don't subscribe to any particular ideology", "I'm a moderate", etc etc etc.

Months later, emboldened by Trump and after some needling, every single post started with "The left" followed by various insults, coupled with stuff like "Liberalism is a mental disorder", "Poorgressives are destroying America" and bitching about having to go near "black neighborhoods".

So, you tell me.

I think people on the left in general are having a very hard time distinguishing between true Trumpians who are nativist nationalist reactionaries and people like me who are true centrists in the tradition of someone like Edmund Burke who are just incredibly alarmed by their behaviour.

Another name for it is "moderate", "moderate right" or even "centre right", "conservative liberalism" or "classical liberalism" -- Wiki is actually not bad on basics for any of these things.

People in that tradition -- like me and many others -- are alarmed by extremism. We just don't like it. The left has pulled further left and has adopted some authoritarian stances and zero tolerance attitudes that really *really* rankle with us. Just absolutely kill us, and make us see rage.

You mistake that anger as being support for Trump, being of the "far right" or whatever else.

I cannot speak to your local news forum guy, but I can speak for myself.

Well there is that and your using the language of the alt-right, er, white supremacists with regards to SJWs that's a pretty good giveaway as to your beliefs.

Oh yes, I forgot, there's that. Confirmed alt righter!

You seem to think there is more to describing a person on a forum than what they say and how they say it.

What else do you want? I'm an alt right nut. You got me to say it. Have a wank about it.

There was just some guy on with Tucker Carlson talking about how he decided to become conservative because some liberals were mean. This HAS to be a lie, right? You don't become a conservative because liberals are mean. That doesn't make any sense in the real world.

If it is true that this guy became a conservative because liberals are mean, then we know:

1. He has no principles or core beliefs.
2. Since conservatives are, at a minimum, at least as mean as liberals, he apparently pays no attention to evidence or the empirical world to inform his world view.

So the guy who truly becomes a conservative because of mean liberals has a sort of goldfish mind when it comes to politics. I'm sure these people exist here and there, but they should be rare.

So that leaves the liars. Now to be clear, I think a good number of liars are just lying to themselves. Maybe they like conservatism and tell the "liberals are mean" tale to excuse their belief in a worldview that is somewhat unpalatable to them on a moral or intellectual level. They are just bundles of confirmation bias.

Or you have the people who lie as part of some kind of rhetorical ploy. I don't know if they hope to draw actual liberals to their side--that seems ambitious and ridiculous. It's probably more effective at keeping leaners on their side and reinforcing the "We are good/they are evil" dichotomy that both sides use to ensure loyalty to what are basically ineffective modern ideologies.

So of the three main types of people who claim "mean liberals made me conservative":

1. honest goldfish brain
2. ashamed true conservative
3. true conservative rhetorical trickster

who exactly is swayed by reason and logic?

If you look at the history of the right and conservativism it has ALWAYS be a reaction to the left, always.

The right exists in opposition to the left. It is a fundamental part of its character. Hence the phrase "reactionary" -- they are reacting to the left.

Have a little read of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

The thing is, why would true moderates be concerned with SJWs--people who hold no power at all and whose crimes are disrupting a few college lectures that have no net effect on any ideas being disseminated? Shouldn't moderates be worried about people losing their health insurance and a lack of a comprehensive immigration plan? Or the weakening of NATO and strengthening of Putin under Trump? Or Trump's denial of climate change?Those are actual issues.

Well, then we have to wonder--what the **** IS your problem? You are worried about people with no power showing authoritarianism when the people in power right now are doing those things. Why aren't you worried about the right moving further right on nearly every issue?Are you not paying attention?

This is a serious question. You claim to be driven to rage by authoritarian streaks in college kids, but the authoritarian streaks of the current executive branch of the US government don't do ANYTHING for you? Because, if that's true, you are either blinded by watching too much youtoob outrage porn or you just WANT your authoritarians to be conservative.

If there is some other answer please explain it. I've tried to understand, but the only options I can come up with are 1. dumb/blind to evidence or 2. playing a dumb game.

Yes, but the right reacts to the IDEAS of the left. They don't become the right because they don't like how the left behaves or smells or ties their shoes.

Which is exactly why free market libertarianism has so few actual adherents and the one that are of the Mises variety turn out to be very closely aligned with paleo conservativism. It's also why our cautious "let's just with facts" posters seem to can't help themselves about dropping into the sexual pathologies of cuckoldry.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/01/1...et-debate.html

Only the best people! Flynn!!

Well Nordstrom closed at 44.36 today. Nordstrom down a percent plus when the overall market had the bull charging pretty hard. I read somewhere that some analyst upgraded the retailers on the day TRUMP trashed Nordstrom. Many retailers were up but Nordstrom was up the most. I can't believe people would buy a stock like Nordstrom as an FU tomTRUMP. If so that would make me extremely happy actually.

No, because if you are basing your opinion on this assertion...

...your opinion is invalid because there is not one post of mine on this entire website that would confirm such an absurd assertion


Sorry, whether it be 10 minutes, 10 days, 10 weeks or 10 years, they are/were breaking the law...this aint a "too big to fail" senario and law breakers cant use the victim card hoss, it is time for illegals to pay the piper.

Incorrect... I will never deny that I am mean, selfish & sometimes extremely subjective in my thinking, but I am working on those glaring flaws. Ironically enough, this website has helped me tremendously in that regard over the years. I am actually greatly appreciative of the opportunity this website affords me to participate and subsequently learn and grow as a human being.

I "hate" kerolol because she lol "inflicted immense emotional pain" by impeding my ability to (literally) better myself when she unnecessarily, unjustifiably and most of all spitefully dropped the hammer on me. Her display of ego driven, psychopathic spitefullness in doing so will never be forgotten or forgiven. I will forever needle her, harrass her, degrade her, dissmiss her, berate her etc etc whenever legally possible... I will show no quarter.


Now be gone, before a house falls on you



*Thank you David, Mason & Mat for allowing me to post here.



**Thank you again Elliott for having the logical sense in being able to identify someones obvious unfair treatment of others & blatent abuse of authority.

OK, sorry

Adios,

You voted for Donald ****ing trump. No ones talking any analysis you have seriously.

Flynn resigns. LOL this incompetent administration, Trump's biggest adviser on military/foreign policy stuff in the campaign (iirc) can't make it A SINGLE MONTH in his job.

What a clown show, and all you Trumpkins voted for this. Utterly pathetic.

By the way, how many hours ago did Kellyanne say that Trump had full confidence in Flynn? Please Trumpkins, tell me more about how what I post is fake news while you get all your info from morons that lie to your face.

Newt knows what he s talking about.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...anada-too.html

Isn't he the guy who said facts didn't matter it was how you felt about things?

Yup

Just a reminder that most of the country still supports the ban

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...itbart+News%29