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02-09-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Please answer the question. How many cases did the Ninth send to SCOTUS?
Monadafas? Any response to this yet?
02-09-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Why are you talking about previous administrations when sushy is blaming soldiers for a poorly planned operation?
Its a good thing this isnt P where not answering ******ed questions from people incapable of articulating an idea or argument is a bannable offence
02-09-2017 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Its a good thing this isnt P where not answering ******ed questions from people incapable of articulating an idea or argument is a bannable offence
Wookie is capable of articulating an argument. I've read them. He chooses to pretend to be stupid when it comes to banning posters he sees as threats to the this-ship-isn't-sinking-what-are-you talking-about-?-everything-is-fine vibe in alpha, over which he sees himself as the principal guardian.
02-09-2017 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
The same article references the collateral damage from obamas failed drone strikes. It would be interesting to see your real time outrage posts in those instances.
Hey, thanks for asking!

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Originally Posted by goofyballer on 10/19/2011
We killed al-Awlaki's 16 year old son (born in Denver, US citizen) with a freedom bomb in Yemen. USA! USA! USA!

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While posts I did or didn't make several years ago aren't particularly relevant to whether or not Trump is doing a terrible job as president (does Trump's colossal ****up in this situation suddenly become better if internet poster goofyballer wasn't also upset when Obama killed al-Awlaki's son?), it is nice that your attempt to invent some liberal hypocrisy fell flat on its face!
02-09-2017 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Wookie is capable of articulating an argument. I've read them. He chooses to pretend to be stupid when it comes to banning posters he sees as threats to the this-ship-isn't-sinking-what-are-you talking-about-?-everything-is-fine vibe in alpha, over which he sees himself as the principal guardian.
I'll have to take your word for it. I haven't seen anything of the sort from him but it possibly exists. I did and do check P occasionally but that happens less and less now as i see even more groupthink and un rebutted hysteria. The daily paniced tone and pissy nature is almost unbearable. Its comparable to being a fly on the wall at the most vapid salon in beverly hills. It certainly needs a new title, calling it politics is just lol
02-09-2017 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hey, thanks for asking!



While posts I did or didn't make several years ago aren't particularly relevant to whether or not Trump is doing a terrible job as president (does Trump's colossal ****up in this situation suddenly become better if internet poster goofyballer wasn't also upset when Obama killed al-Awlaki's son?), it is nice that your attempt to invent some liberal hypocrisy fell flat on its face!
Ill have to take your word for it. Exiles can't follow the link. I assume you understand my point though. Theres a difference between attacking the president for calling a drone strike and attacking the president for the execution of the drone strike. Thats my point. If you're being consistent, good for you. Thats my point though. If youre being critical of trump decision to proceed with the operation (obviously you opose every breathe he takes) that is fine. It comes across like your passing blame on to trump from botched execution, wich wouldn't be fair imo
02-09-2017 , 02:20 AM
You can open a private browser window to follow the link. This post in particular should put any question of my sincerity to rest.

Regarding decision-making vs. execution, there's plenty of evidence that he botched the decision-making:

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Yemen raid targeted an AQAP leader who they didn't get, and he's now taunting the US

Also in that article, this is how Mattis convinced Trump to do the raid:

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After two months of military preparation increasingly focused on the opportunity to capture al-Rimi, Trump was told by Defense Secretary James Mattis and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that his capture would be a "game changer," according to a senior White House official with direct knowledge of the discussions.

In making their case, they told Trump that they doubted that the Obama administration would have been bold enough to try it, this official said.
Trump tries to score a quick and easy PR victory to look stronger than Obama, but instead botches it and gets a US soldier + numerous civilians killed in the process. Great work from a great leader!
02-09-2017 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Its a good thing this isnt P where not answering ******ed questions from people incapable of articulating an idea or argument is a bannable offence
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Wookie is capable of articulating an argument. I've read them. He chooses to pretend to be stupid when it comes to banning posters he sees as threats to the this-ship-isn't-sinking-what-are-you talking-about-?-everything-is-fine vibe in alpha, over which he sees himself as the principal guardian.
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
I'll have to take your word for it. I haven't seen anything of the sort from him but it possibly exists. I did and do check P occasionally but that happens less and less now as i see even more groupthink and un rebutted hysteria. The daily paniced tone and pissy nature is almost unbearable. Its comparable to being a fly on the wall at the most vapid salon in beverly hills. It certainly needs a new title, calling it politics is just lol
Don't bring discussion about moding of P or Pv7.0 into content threads please. Also, Juan - opinions about other posters aren't allowed in content threads.
02-09-2017 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Stocks 100
Serious question, would you buy, sell, or hold at this price?
@goofy - Bump, unless I missed it in this thread, you don't have an opinion about the significance of this one day price change in the stock. Actually I find the price change pretty interesting. I will be quite interested to see if this is a one day thing. No matter what happens with the stock price going forward, the price action is going to be interesting to me at least. Since nobody else has an opinion no need to discuss it further.

Last edited by adios; 02-09-2017 at 06:27 AM.
02-09-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Its a good thing this isnt P where not answering ******ed questions from people incapable of articulating an idea or argument is a bannable offence
It's too bad this is SMPu where not answering a simple question about how the post you made is derailing the conversation is grounds for conservatives to get stars instead of the jeers such bull**** should get. Why not speak to sushy's post instead of going off on some tangent that doesn't have anything to do with the topic of the thread?
02-09-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
@goofy - Bump, unless I missed it in this thread, you don't have an opinion about the significance of this one day price change in the stock. Actually I find the price change pretty interesting. I will be quite interested to see if this is a one day thing. No matter what happens with the stock price going forward, the price action is going to be interesting to me at least. Since nobody else has an opinion no need to discuss it further.
There were other articles about Nordstrom being a buy out prior to or in addition to Trump's tweet. Not sure where the most influence was. Will be interested to see what the next company Trump blasts does though.
02-09-2017 , 10:27 AM
A relatively harmless tweet about removing a product line that represents <1% of Nordstroms product line is not going to be meaningful investing information, it's just useless noise that will be forgotten in 48 hours.
02-09-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Why are they even allowed to hear this case.
Because those are the rules. Sorry the country isn't fascist enough for you.
02-09-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No one was hurt.



And that's why you like 'peaceful protesters', isn't it?



No, he hadn't. Because his own website, Breitbart, had billed him as planning to incite direct personal hostility against named individual students who have done nothing wrong. And that is not the legitimate exercise of free speech. And people can protest against that kind of thing all they like.



No, Rule XIX did not apply because Coretta Scott King, via Warren, was not referring to Sessions' conduct as a United States Senator (since he was not a senator at the time), nor did the debate have to do with his fitness to serve as a United States Senator but his fitness to serve as Attorney General.

But you just despise Martin Luther King, and Coretta Scott King, and Elizabeth Warren, and Democrats and ******-lovers generally, and you just want to 'keep 'em down', don't you?
02-09-2017 , 11:35 AM


preach
02-09-2017 , 01:06 PM
Trumps wants to sell his influence to Russia. I guess that is peaceful.
02-09-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Anarchists engaged in violence, Democrats did not support them. Democrats did support the peaceful protesters using their free speech rights to express their opposition to Milo. But the anarchists, I denounce them, look, I disavow, okay!
This is noble. Thank you. I hope that other liberals agree with you.

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02-09-2017 , 02:52 PM
pokerodox, since you were talking about deportation earlier:

She Showed Up Yearly to Meet Immigration Agents. Now They’re Deporting Her.

Cliffs: Woman comes to US illegally from Mexico in 1996 as a 14 year old. She's married and has two US citizen children, now teenagers. In 2008 she's arrested in one of Sheriff Joe's raids and charged with felony impersonation for using a fake SSN to work (according to the article, seems common for immigrants to do to find jobs). Judge issues deportation order, but Obama's ICE lets her stay while checking in every 6-12 months. Until Trump took office, these checkins were routine; on this checkin, they decided to deport her.

Technically, she's a felon, but when one makes comments like these (which I didn't disagree with at the time):

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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I could be missing something, but hasn't Trump said he's only going after illegal immigrants with felony convictions?
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
...it would certainly be encouraging if he only went after felons
When we talk about "felons" I don't think this woman, arrested for the crime of working and with a family that's now being broken up, is the kind of person either of us were talking about.

And regarding another point I made in that quoted post, about Trump's rhetoric chilling immigrant engagement with the government - how many other non-dangerous immigrants put on similar "check in with ICE every now and then" programs are going to be skipping out on those now? Is that chilling effect good for anyone?
02-09-2017 , 03:15 PM
In unrelated federal ethics news that conservatives no longer give a **** about because Trump is president, Kellyanne Conway blatantly violated federal rules today!

Fox News kindly has a story about her interview with Fox & Friends this morning where she advertised Ivanka Trump's jewelry line

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"Go buy Ivanka's stuff," Conway added, saying that consumers can buy Ivanka's products online.
If you watch the video Conway also says "I'm gonna give a free commercial here, go buy it today everybody, you can find it online".

Thanks to CPHoya's post here, here is the Code of Federal Regulations:

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§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.
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(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:
Spoiler: Ivanka Trump is not in the list of exceptions.
02-09-2017 , 03:26 PM
Sorry for the stream of consciousness response...

Wow. That's rough. I hope he changes it to something more like felonies unrelated to illegally immigrating. Or tie them to harm to the public - but how to decide that. Certainly there is some harm from identity fraud to obtain a job. Very little, I agree, but this is a policy balance question. Like I said, I hope he changes it so that it is not so draconian, just not sure where to make the line.

I also want to point out that I am sure similar tear-jerker stories can be had with those who are guilty of felonies involving serious harm to society too.

Regarding the chilling effect on the illegal immigrants here (and their families) in how they deal with law enforcement, I agree that the effect is strong. That said, isn't the problem the fact that we have all these illegal immigrants. Wouldn't it be better to get them all documented and tracked, so that we can implement rational policies without having the chilling effect. High level: we have a major problem, and fixing it is going to be difficult, including corner cases where the wrong result happens.

Thanks for the article goofyballer. My gut reaction is that Trump is screwing up on the two immigration related issues (deporting illegal immigrants and refugee immigration).

I look at deportation policies as similar to the temp travel ban in terms of the Admin's success. He has it screwed up right now, but hopefully he will get it right in the next few days or weeks.

I hope the media follows that woman, and we get to find out whether the Trump admin ends up doing the right thing and keeping her here. TBD.

Hopefully he gets beating ISIS right. Then he will have been a successful president.
02-09-2017 , 04:46 PM
Damn. I was going to say yesterday that Trump should stay out of the Nordstrom/Ivanka thing. Pretty disgusting. He needs to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Looks like Ms. Conway is blowing that too.

Of course, I would like to see some research on whether this is practiced elsewhere, by others, in the U.S.
02-09-2017 , 05:18 PM
Reuters has an absolutely terrifying profile of the man with the nuclear codes: Exclusive: In call with Putin, Trump denounced Obama-era nuclear arms treaty - sources

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When Putin raised the possibility of extending the 2010 treaty, known as New START, Trump paused to ask his aides in an aside what the treaty was, these sources said.

Trump then told Putin the treaty was one of several bad deals negotiated by the Obama administration, saying that New START favored Russia.
Trump also talked about his own popularity, the sources said.
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During a debate in the 2016 presidential election, Trump said Russia had "outsmarted" the United States with the treaty, which he called "START-Up." He asserted incorrectly then that it had allowed Russia to continue to produce nuclear warheads while the United States could not.
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Typically, before a telephone call with a foreign leader, a president receives a written in-depth briefing paper drafted by National Security Council staff after consultations with the relevant agencies, including the State Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies, two former senior officials said.

Just before the call, the president also usually receives an oral "pre-briefing" from his national security adviser and top subject-matter aide, they said.

Trump did not receive a briefing from Russia experts with the NSC and intelligence agencies before the Putin call, two of the sources said. Reuters was unable to determine if Trump received a briefing from his national security adviser Michael Flynn.
jesus christ
02-09-2017 , 06:20 PM
At least Lying about murder rates isn't peddling stuff from an official position on TV, technically lies about murder or whatever aren't a product.
02-09-2017 , 06:29 PM


Remember all that campaigning about how, despite the BLS claiming unemployment was low, those numbers didn't tell the real story and #actually the economy was in a miserable state?

Now that Trump is president I guess those numbers are legit again!

(this is from Spicer's press briefing today)
02-09-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Reuters has an absolutely terrifying profile of the man with the nuclear codes: Exclusive: In call with Putin, Trump denounced Obama-era nuclear arms treaty - sources

jesus christ
I'd love to see the faces at the the other end of the call. However much they wanted him elected, and however amusing they find it, it cant be a very comfortable feeling to have to face such a well armed, clueless and narcissistic buffoon.

      
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