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02-03-2017 , 08:08 PM
Clutched pearls need to be constantly checked for safety.
02-03-2017 , 08:23 PM
Federal judge in Seattle issues nationwide restraining order against the travel ban. I'm sure that whatever our conservative friends here think about the order, we can agree that court rulings are to be respected, yes?
02-03-2017 , 08:31 PM
Now we'll see if anyone will listen to the court...
02-03-2017 , 08:50 PM
I read the article about UC Merced by the NYT. That caption in your post is your take on what's happening, not the title of the article, just so everyone understands. I guess this is how you're commenting and linking at the same time, which is fine, but I think we should be clear on what you're posting.

When did Trump announce that he only plans to deport those with felony convictions and not all illegal immigrants? I can't remember if that was before or after the election.

So that article is a touching story (set of stories) about immigrant college students and their fears about their parents getting deported.

I could be missing something, but hasn't Trump said he's only going after illegal immigrants with felony convictions?
02-03-2017 , 08:50 PM
I want to read the TRO.
02-03-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I read the article about UC Merced by the NYT. That caption in your post is your take on what's happening, not the title of the article, just so everyone understands. I guess this is how you're commenting and linking at the same time, which is fine, but I think we should be clear on what you're posting.
Yeah, didn't mean to mislead, when linking I'm generally pointing out the part of the article that sticks out to me. I do try to be accurate, though, and the uncertain future of DACA is definitely threatening their future:

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Originally Posted by NYT
If DACA goes, of course, the ability to work legally goes with it, along with any health insurance an employer might provide and, in some states, driver’s licenses and in-state tuition.
For clarity I'll try to separate my commentary from links in the future.

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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I could be missing something, but hasn't Trump said he's only going after illegal immigrants with felony convictions?
Yeah, but:
- he campaigned on deporting basically everyone, so it's hard to say what he'll actually do as president; it would certainly be encouraging if he only went after felons
- his campaigning on immigration has already had a chilling effect on immigrants fearful that engaging with the government when they aren't documented might put them in a spotlight for future deportation, see these passages for examples:

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Originally Posted by NYT
Allison Davenport, a staff lawyer at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, has been meeting with students at the Dream Success Center at California State University, Fresno. Like many of her colleagues, she is advising first-timers who have yet to apply for DACA to hold off. They risk turning over their personal data with potentially no return.
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Originally Posted by NYT
DACA has given these goal-oriented young people the opportunity to plan and imagine a future for themselves, Dr. Suárez-Orozco said. They now find themselves in a “horrific Kafka-like situation” in which they have potentially outed their parents to federal authorities. “What young people crave more than anything else is a sense of belonging,” he added. “Now they are going back to a deep crisis of uncertainty. This is a seismic shift.”
Like you, I also thought the story was touching. Many of these kids are working way harder than any child should ever have to in order to achieve the American Dream.
02-03-2017 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I want to read the TRO.
Seems like you may be a lawyer. Please give your take after reading TRO.
02-03-2017 , 09:23 PM
I am a lawyer, but not in this field. The TRO is not out yet. It was granted verbally, and I think it will be published tomorrow.

As a side question, I have no idea what effect there is between now and when it is published.

Also, the complaint looked like it relied heavily on those with green cards, and those who had helped the US (presumably like military help overseas), and some other narrow cases, but still it appears the TRO may overturn the entire EO. I don't know. We will have to see how this plays out.

I understand the Admin has already stated it will comply with the New York Fed. Judge TRO against booting those already in the US (much narrower than the possible TRO out of Washington State).
02-04-2017 , 06:03 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38864253

So Trump has been overturned.

If this holds up, I'd like people to take note and remember this image:



Because if there is ever a terrorist attack involving a muslim, we will literally have armageddon now.

Well done SJWs!
02-04-2017 , 06:51 AM
1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.

2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.

3. Initiate class warfare.

4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.

5. Dismantle existing forces of order and regulation. Reconstruct all existing institutions.

24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.


Last edited by NoQuarter; 02-04-2017 at 07:07 AM.
02-04-2017 , 09:06 AM
Thank you veterans!

America first!

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/20...-veterans.html
02-04-2017 , 10:07 AM
Do you folks think this scortched earth policy of the Democrats coupled with the protests/riots is similar to what happened toward the end of the Vietnam war? Tens of thousands more Americans were killed because of the anti war protests. It's rumored that Nixon used this to his advantage to get reelected by keeping the war going. The North benefited with a better deal. Similarly, other nations are becoming emboldened by the protests/riots in this country. How many people do you suppose will be killed because of the lefts selfishness of wanting to get back into power?

Mother Terresa was asked to join the anti war protests. She said no! But I will join a pro peace rally. Perhaps it could benefit all of us if the left stopped with it's negativity and selfishness and started to act like Americans. If they don't get on board soon, there will be more blood on their hands.
02-04-2017 , 10:17 AM
I think protests are playing directly into Trump's hands, and that it is part of a deliberate Bannon strategy.
02-04-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Do you folks think this scortched earth policy of the Democrats coupled with the protests/riots is similar to what happened toward the end of the Vietnam war? Tens of thousands more Americans were killed because of the anti war protests. It's rumored that Nixon used this to his advantage to get reelected by keeping the war going. The North benefited with a better deal. Similarly, other nations are becoming emboldened by the protests/riots in this country. How many people do you suppose will be killed because of the lefts selfishness of wanting to get back into power?

Mother Terresa was asked to join the anti war protests. She said no! But I will join a pro peace rally. Perhaps it could benefit all of us if the left stopped with it's negativity and selfishness and started to act like Americans. If they don't get on board soon, there will be more blood on their hands.
It's the left's fault when the right elects criminal presidents?

Look, I'm sure the left will bail the US out of whatever **** ups Trump gets into. We're used to cleaning up the mess.
02-04-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
The right wing HATES academic discussions.
02-04-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Thank you veterans!

America first!

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/20...-veterans.html
You mean they are finally catching up to Starbucks?
02-04-2017 , 02:20 PM
This great. I'm an actual "so called judge". Trump "judges" then it's our turn.
02-04-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Do you folks think this scortched earth policy of the Democrats coupled with the protests/riots is similar to what happened toward the end of the Vietnam war? Tens of thousands more Americans were killed because of the anti war protests.
No they weren't.

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It's rumored that Nixon used this to his advantage to get reelected by keeping the war going.
No, Nixon's representative Anna Chennault told the South Vietnamese to refuse Johnson's peace deal so that Nixon could get elected and then they'd get a better deal, which of course they didn't, they got wiped out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668

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Mother Terresa was asked to join the anti war protests. She said no! But I will join a pro peace rally.
Mother Teresa, with one R, was a nasty piece of work.
02-04-2017 , 03:11 PM
Mother Teresa was a bad person now?
02-04-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No they weren't.



No, Nixon's representative Anna Chennault told the South Vietnamese to refuse Johnson's peace deal so that Nixon could get elected and then they'd get a better deal, which of course they didn't, they got wiped out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668



Mother Teresa, with one R, was a nasty piece of work.
I'm talking about a different Mother Terresa.
02-04-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Mother Teresa was a bad person now?
You didn't know?
02-04-2017 , 03:32 PM
What did she do?
02-04-2017 , 10:48 PM
She was no angel.
02-04-2017 , 10:54 PM
Only trump is perfect and i am nearly sure he promises he will share perfection with all his supporters. But first- the black in black history month is probably a huge problem according to Bannon. Black crime month anybody?

      
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