Yes, let's have a march and protest until our government provides more help for vets, the homeless and struggling parents!!!!! Let our government know that we demand this and if they even think about making cuts to our most vulnerable then don't even bother running again because we are 100% voting the bums out. I'm with you all the way, let us do it!

Saudi Arabia isn't on the list though, probably because of that Trump tower...

Because the people protesting enjoy protesting the newest and hippest things. Don't worry there won't be any more protesting of this issue in a couple months as everyone will have moved on to the next cool thing to protest (sources: occupy wall street, black lives matter, million woman march, etc.). Just like OWS, BLM & WWM a huge majority of the people protesting don't even understand the issues they are "fighting" for and don't have better solution(s) to the problem.

"I don't protest hitler because he isn't here"

So you agree with monodig that these are issues we should be protesting? Awesome, I'll sign you up too, we are up to 3 now. Great to know that you will be providing your energy and expertise to fight for what you have identified to be the four most pressing issues of our day. I'm all for pushing on the issues we can all agree on, think starting there is a great idea.

We are much smarter now. There is an entire agency designed to prevent attacks on the homeland, called the Department of Homeland Security.

Yes, there are still threats, some unimaginably terrible. Like the chance a bunch of terrorists infected with plague slip through screening and infect millions. I wish I could tell you that we can prevent every such attack, but even with a strong border wall, the best we can do is keep our intelligence agencies well funded and vigilant and prepared, and we are. Doing much more than we already are would be sacrificing too much freedom for diminishing returns of security and risks turning our country into a police state. We are not Israel. Not yet.

What Trump is doing is doing, a supposed temporary ban "until we can figure things out" is just a show, I hope. We already have it figured out pretty well, at least as well as we can without overreacting and banning entire ethnic groups. We've been on this the past 16 years since the day after 9/11. I believe this because I've done some work on one of the many programs funded under Homeland Security, and I've sat in on a couple of meeting with agency members. There is not a lack of funding or diligence in this area, and I hope Trump will recognize that soon.

I think a few of the mentioned protests have reason to protest, but unfortunately they don't understand enough about the issues to make logical arguments or blame those who deserve their blame.

Point to me exactly where I absolved Trump of any responsibility for this action. What he did with what was handed to him was ultimately his decision, but he was handed the keys to doing it. If you are mad at him now, so be it, but that doesn't make you any less ignorant of what Obama had done or hypocritical if you did know.

Rather, it seems as if you are trying to absolve Obama, even though he used the exact same powers to ban Iranian and other nationals with valid visas under this same law as the ACLU and NIAC have clearly litigated out. Sure, he did it on a case by case basis, but he knew that it could be used in the same way as he did with the Iraqi refugees. And okay, if the Iraqi refugee issue wasn't widely known until 2013, why were there no protests when the news came out? John Oliver even did a segment condemning the Obama administration treatment of Iraqi and Afghani refugees and translators that helped the US military.

But I see you have made some progress, so that's good. You no longer think Trump chose those seven countries because of business reasons and now you understand the legal basis for the Trump Executive Order. If this is something you are pissed off about, then yes, you should be mad at both and not trying to accuse me of spewing dishonest trash when you clearly accept my main points.

Although I support Trump, there are a few points that he wants to implement where I do indeed want meaningful opposition, and I would like the left to provide it. But if the left is going to be completely idiotic and get both the legal basis and the rationale for the seven countries wrong while yelling with their heads cut off, then I cannot possibly have any reasonable expectation for meaningful opposition on the points that I do care about. Right now the left look like downright fools.

Easy now Deuces, sounding a little close to HastenDan here. Next you will be mentioning extending the Patriot Act and secret courts.

Underlined: it's an apt summation of my entire point that you pass this incredibly important distinction off as "sure, whatever, don't care".

Bolded: like I said, I often read & agree with Glenn Greenwald who has argued against expansion of executive powers on the same lines - "even if you approve of the current president doing it, think about when a president you don't like is in office". And he's right! That doesn't make it any less dumb to suggest that people who didn't protest when a bad power was created (but not used) are hypocrites for protesting when that bad power is used.

You'll be able to find plenty of actual hypocrisy over the next 4+ years from liberals who don't protest future Trump actions that Obama actually did do, without having to resort to these pathetic false equivalencies and inventing of liberal hypocrisy.

It's kinda funny to read about a Trump supporter saying "I want the left to oppose my president but only in a way that I deem worthy of his greatness". The left raised what is usually several years' worth of online donations for the ACLU over a single weekend, staged protests across the country, obtained orders from federal judges striking down parts of the ban, and have a huge amount of the country on their side - but I'm sure they'll be ever so disheartened to know that this Trump supporter here thinks they look like "fools", oh no, guess it was all for nothing.

I wonder how many more hate groups will form because of these nonsense riots.

Trump to sign exec. order this morning requiring that for every 1 new regulation, 2 regulations have to be revoked

B-b-b-but pussy hats! M-m-m-my hijab! M-m-m-my Sharia Law!

Ah governing via gimmick and catchphrase, how refreshing.

On a related note, a regulator who hates regulations is like a chef who hates food.

What are you talking about? ISIS isn't a nation state taking over the world. They are a half assed terrorist organization that can't project force worth a damn and rely on ****ed up kids to snap and go on shooting sprees. They are less of a threat to US citizens than drunk drivers.

Today's Trump news:

Officials worry that the ban will make America less safe. Indeed, jihadist forces in the Middle East are celebrating over it:

Petition for UK to cancel Trump's state visit gets over a million signatures, sending it to parliament's attention

Over 100 State Department employees sign internal memo dissenting against immigration ban

Southern Baptist Convention policy leader sends letter to Trump worrying that the ban puts Christians overseas in danger and encouraging him to resume admitting refugees as soon as possible

Senators Bob Corker (R-TN), Lamar Alexander (R-TN), and Cory Gardner (R-CO) criticize the ban and urge Trump to fix it

Jewish groups (even Republican ones!) slam Trump's omission of Jews in his statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day

Fact-checking Trump's claims about inner city crime and carnage - spoiler alert, he's lying!

We're supposed to care what a bunch of looney tune zealots and nanny state loving redcoats think?

Ford Motor Company decries the ban, says it "goes against our values as a company"

Noteworthy for a big Rust Belt automaker to say that

Pretty sure Bannon should be driving for this to be accurate

You mean ISIS is gonna hate us even more?

I also heard that Iran is not gonna let Americans into their country.

Oh crap!!!

Nothing to say about the actual "risk" refugees from these 7 countries are Monoasdfals?

This administration is openly afraid of children.

Typical overreaction from you people. I realize you're gonna protest everything The President does. The presidents primary responsibility is to keep us safe. I suggest you read the Executive order before you spout your lies.

I thought you all were moving to Canada anyways!

Read this and tell me what you found wrong with it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/u...der-trump.html

Nothing?

I am so conflicted about this!!

On one hand I am actually worried about the polarization of society, both sides becoming fact resistant to each others arguments is worrying. On the other hand I get immense enjoyment from watching the meltdown of all the SJW's in the main forum.

It has got to the point where questioning their dystopian narrative(see _piet ban) of what is happening leads to a quick ban and calling for the 'unfortunate death' of the US president leads to no action.

How this is handled here is pure hysteria.