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No, I mean you have a point, that ST is off-topic. I was trying to politely suggest to him that he either stop or take it to the LC thread. Sorry for the ambiguity.

Gotcha, Thanks. Maybe can use it as an example/reminder about how comments about posters can derail a thread by making it about the posters rather than topics.

07-14-2017 , 03:51 PM

#2427

TiltedDonkey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mongidig

I think you all think way to much

Says it all, really.

07-14-2017 , 04:05 PM

#2428

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

No, I mean you have a point, that ST is off-topic...

I'd like to politely make the point that the post below is OT

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Distorting obsessive gossiper.

And so were every single Teh Jabber-Wookie post in this sequence. He noticed his SN was mentioned. And he started in on spamming. It takes two to tango. But think about the underlying dynamic here.

You're asking me to stop rolling bbs by Teh Jabber-Wookie, because he simply can't help himself, and he'll eat them all-day-every-day.

Now, sure, maybe the previous and completely unrelated chat where Teh Jabber-Wookie's SN was mentioned was over-the-line regarding "making it about the poster". Certainly, it doesn't need to be in the moderation thread. But I didn't start that derail either. That was Jbrochu (below)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Meet the new Spank, Not the same as the old Spank I'm digging it.

So to sum up: I'm going to pretend to be bitter, because of this blatantly bias moderating, where Teh Jabber-Wookie can spam at will, but where I must needs endure such cruel and harsh punishments (like polite hints).

Spoiler:

07-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

#2429

well named

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

I'd like to politely make the point that the post below is OT

Granted. I'm more interested in the moving everyone along now, nothing to see here citizen part than the apportioning blame part.

07-14-2017 , 04:09 PM

#2430

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Not About The Poster

Gotcha, Thanks. Maybe can use it as an example/reminder about how comments about posters can derail a thread by making it about the posters rather than topics.

Maybe can use it as an example/reminder not to spam the forum

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 07-14-2017 at 04:11 PM. Reason: OK, moving on. But this was just too big of a beachball not to take a swing at.

07-14-2017 , 04:26 PM

#2431

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mongidig

I think you all think way to much and make this much more complicated than it needs to be.

And some topics require a measure of thinking and are actually complex. Without laying out a case what is seen specifically as over-thinking and over-complicating-it can appear like avoidance of struggling with challenging topics.

07-14-2017 , 05:15 PM

#2432

mongidig

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Somebody tell Toadtehwetsprocket I'm getting the last word here.

07-14-2017 , 05:36 PM

#2433

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Somebody tell Toadtehwetsprocket I'm getting the last word here.

Well okay, you are free to believe and repeat gossip, but that is not informative about what topic related to the moderation you think is being over-thought and over-complicated? Is it racism and being called racist?

07-14-2017 , 06:15 PM

#2434

BroadwaySushy

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Look it's not that complicated. You are either a leftist or you are a racist. OK

07-14-2017 , 07:59 PM

#2435

The REAL Trolly

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

No, I mean you have a point, that ST is off-topic. I was trying to politely suggest to him that he either stop or take it to the LC thread. Sorry for the ambiguity.

Former mods who are actively participating ITT are off-topic for a thread dedicated to forum moderation?

07-14-2017 , 08:00 PM

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07-14-2017 , 08:08 PM

#2437

well named

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uh, yeah? I think so. This thread is intended to be for discussion about how this forum is moderated currently, not discussion of forum moderation in general. Spank's status as former moderator doesn't seem super relevant to me.

I mean obviously this thread (and all the other threads :P) veers into whatever random stuff all the time, it's not terribly important, but there's no reason to have a bunch of posts about spank's posting in here afaik.

07-14-2017 , 10:20 PM

#2438

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly

Former mods who are actively participating ITT are off-topic for a thread dedicated to forum moderation?

Not really.

07-15-2017 , 08:44 AM

#2439

wil318466

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

wil, for ****'s sake, you don't get to redefine words to fit your purpose.

Neither do you.

07-15-2017 , 09:47 PM

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I scroll past a lot of stuff, and avoid all the in-fighting drama like the plague, so there's lots of posts I haven't seen. But from what I have seen, I think well named is doing a pretty good job as a mod. There's much less cheztapo, which by itself would be a great thing.

07-16-2017 , 11:55 PM

#2441

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

... They just wanna hang in an ultra liberal bubble shouting down the minority conservative views here on 2p2 as their fellow libs cheer them on...

@mods,

^{Caveats: I understand that we are in 'light touch' mode currently, so I'm not asking for anything to be done now. Please do not made this about the poster.}

I feel the posts like above need to go away with extreme prejudice. My questions are...

Do you mods agree/disagree... and why?
In the future, will anything be done about this shiz?
Currently, in 'light touch' mode, can I ask for a cite for 'shout'?

07-17-2017 , 12:34 AM

#2442

wil318466

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Shame trolly, you're the biggest pussy in this forum. Grow a ****ing dick. All you do is complain, Jesus Christ man, wtf is wrong with you?

07-17-2017 , 12:35 AM

#2443

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

Do you remember red_man_plus? He was a dude who would randomly chime in with actual real word-salad poetry. He also didn't have the annoying habit of anyways trying to get the last word in. red_man_plus >>>>> Teh Jabber-Wookie.

I miss his posts. Great avatar too.

I was sad when he was banned because I knew he couldn't return with that prose and punctuation. Yes, I debated emulating him in this post.

Big fan btw. I really eat up the AC stuff.

07-17-2017 , 12:45 AM

#2444

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

Do you mods agree/disagree... and why?
In the future, will anything be done about this shiz?
Currently, in 'light touch' mode, can I ask for a cite for 'shout'?

This is silly.

07-17-2017 , 11:20 AM

#2445

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

Neither do you.

Luckily, I don't need to.

07-18-2017 , 10:28 AM

#2446

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For the record I think moderation such as deleting a post and leaving a comment

Quote:

This message has been deleted by whosnext. Reason: zero content trolling, derailing going on for far too long, infraction coming

Is bad moderation. Firstly if non mods can't see the reason then I apologise for making it visible but I think there are good arguments for greater transparency in moderation rather than less. Those of us who've been reading this forum for a while know that Shame Trolly !!!1! does his thing in his way but his posts rather than derailing have a point and if a moderator disagrees I think we should be able to judge rather than having the post deleted and a potentially interesting discussion halted.

07-18-2017 , 11:16 AM

#2447

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Agreed. Leave the post. Give the infraction if it is warranted (which I cannot comment on as I've never seen the post).

In my opinion, only posts that contain grossly offensive content should be deleted.

07-18-2017 , 11:32 AM

#2448

well named

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

Firstly if non mods can't see the reason then I apologise for making it visible

They can't, just fwiw. The post is just completely gone from a non-mod view.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

I think there are good arguments for greater transparency in moderation rather than less.

I agree to some extent. I'm not sure every moderation action requires a public inquiry. But my thought has been that extra transparency is useful in the beginning when rules or mods change to help make clear what's going on and to establish some level of trust. And then later when everyone understands what's likely to happen it's not as necessary for routine stuff.

As far as the post you're mentioning specifically... I don't know why it was deleted.

07-18-2017 , 11:35 AM

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Everything was on the up till Whosnext returned.

07-18-2017 , 11:37 AM

#2450

dereds

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My bad it only occurred to me after I'd posted I won't do that again.

I don't think transparency is equivalent to having a public inquiry or facilitating a public inquiry, if anything transparency can offset the need for an inquiry because the moderators actions are known and clear.

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