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I'm going to weigh in here, just cuz the discussion is going to some extent to a high level "what do you want this forum to be?" question.

I want pure, open political discussion from both sides, without personal attacks.

So, I disagree with the left that wants viewpoints from the right deleted/banned.

I also disagree with Mongidig (and others?) who want very little moderation allowing basically unlimited personal attacks. I want personal attacks punished/deleted in whatever way reduces their prevalence.

I will add that this has nothing to do with not being able to handle it. Calling each other stupid or the f word or whatever else other pejorative you can think of is just boring. I can't stand wading through the personal attacks to try and find the actual thought presented. It's boring, and I can only read so much of that, before I just leave.

+1

Emphasis mine.

05-02-2017 , 09:18 PM

#1027

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerodox

I'm going to weigh in here, just cuz the discussion is going to some extent to a high level "what do you want this forum to be?" question.

I want pure, open political discussion from both sides, without personal attacks.

So, I disagree with the left that wants viewpoints from the right deleted/banned.

I also disagree with Mongidig (and others?) who want very little moderation allowing basically unlimited personal attacks. I want personal attacks punished/deleted in whatever way reduces their prevalence.

I will add that this has nothing to do with not being able to handle it. Calling each other stupid or the f word or whatever else other pejorative you can think of is just boring. I can't stand wading through the personal attacks to try and find the actual thought presented. It's boring, and I can only read so much of that, before I just leave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

+1

Emphasis mine.

Restriction on nonPC speech has to be taken as a given but given that, how much more severe on the name calling and bickering do you think the content threads should be?

I do rely a fair bit on posters to report anything that's harming the threads. Not everyone likes to do that but maybe you could do it more if you think it will improve them - is that a reasonable request?

05-02-2017 , 11:12 PM

#1028

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mongidig

I don't want any moderation. If your too big of a puss not to be able to deal with real life then just frequent the fake world of alpha.

Are gender slurs like this PC?

05-03-2017 , 01:06 AM

#1029

mongidig

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Are gender slurs like this PC?

Oh shoot! I meant to write "pushover". I need to get my keyboard fixed.

I'm sorry Noodle I hope that didn't cause you too much emotional damage.

05-03-2017 , 04:31 AM

#1030

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Are gender slurs like this PC?

No. For now it's in the 'probably ignored unless a post is reported' category.

05-03-2017 , 04:39 AM

#1031

jalfrezi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

You live in a fantasy world where you think the people who disagree with you are in overalls working in a farm somewhere. They don't. They are everywhere but will not participate due to people like you.

You live in a bubble, a fantasy land that doesn't exist. You're being lied to in every single way. Keep listening to people like Fly and reading CNN and patting yourself on the back for thinking you are on the right side of everything. Students think like that. You are not a student. Grow up a little bit and realize being successful in creating an illusion does not mean you changed reality.

wil projecting for the umpteenth time.

Like most of the far right you're mentally unstable, and in your case you don't even know your own mind.

05-03-2017 , 07:41 AM

#1032

Bladesman87

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Chez, I know you like to duck talking about actual moderation issues, but can I get a quick confirmation that you think it's appropriate to take the same action against repeat offenders threatening to assault women and trans people when they feel like it as against the people who respond to them to say they're wrong?

You know, given that you claim you think one party in that should be literally criminal.

05-03-2017 , 08:46 AM

#1033

chezlaw

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I dont duck any moderating decision and no.

05-03-2017 , 09:12 AM

#1034

Black Peter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Peter

You have to keep in mind that this is a guy who took 3 months of convincing to finally come to the conclusion that calling people ******s is non-PC. And he still hasn't really decided what to do with that. Some people just like to think things through for a very long time.

I guess Chez has changed his mind and decided that saying "******ed" is ok after all.

http://www.r-word.org/r-word-effects-of-the-word.aspx

http://www.globaldownsyndrome.org/ab...ords-can-hurt/

05-03-2017 , 09:15 AM

#1035

Black Peter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

No. For now it's in the 'probably ignored unless a post is reported' category.

Why are you asking others to do your job for you? You asked for this job. You wanted this job. Now you're basically saying that you won't read the threads anymore and will only rely on tattle-tales to inform you. I can see how this made a modicum of sense when the forum was super busy. But now it's pretty dead and there's not much to read. If you don't have the time to even read the posts in this thread, why are you here?

05-03-2017 , 09:29 AM

#1036

chezlaw

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That's not the correct way to look at it. The intent is to avoid over-modding and to respond to what concerns posters. Volume ebbs and flows as does the time available for modding - the rules do not change as it does.

If posters want to complain about posts not being modded but aren't actually bothered by the posts enough to report them then that's up to them.

05-03-2017 , 09:37 AM

#1037

Loki

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What is the functional difference between reporting a post and pointing out a post to you directly? I'm curious what magical thing about a report there is that springs you into action.

It's nice that you've let the mask slip a little and outright admit that your preference is to not moderate people who violate your PC rule.

05-03-2017 , 09:54 AM

#1038

chezlaw

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It depends on how extreme it is. PC is a continuum that changes with time and when I spot anything at the more serious end then I remove it. More serious can include repeated use of something less serious

I believe allowing the posters to impact on the less extreme PC and other rule violations is a good thing.

05-03-2017 , 10:07 AM

#1039

kerowo

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LOL wouldn't want to "overmod" lol

05-03-2017 , 10:07 AM

#1040

Loki

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Well, the user in question has 1 use of puss, 4 uses of pussies, and 245 uses of pussy in his posting history for this forum (to say nothing of his use of other gender slurs like sissies). Granted, some of those are from the title of trumps thread. Just curious how many hundred uses constitutes "repeated"?

I only ask because it seems like you pumped the breaks on people shortening that user's name to four characters incredibly quickly for a fairly arcane term, while hundreds of uses of a well-known term are apparently fine.

05-03-2017 , 10:20 AM

#1041

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

You're not in P alpha now snowflake. No-one's getting banned because your widdle feelings got hurt.

Ugh. Have some self-respect for God's sake.

05-03-2017 , 10:24 AM

#1042

chezlaw

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@Noodle. By repeated I mean close together.

Quote:

I only ask because it seems like you pumped the breaks on people shortening that user's name to four characters incredibly quickly for a fairly arcane term, while hundreds of uses of a well-known term are apparently fine.

It wasn't anything like an arcane term for me. one of the reasons to include the posters in these decisions is that the meanings of these words isn't fixed.

05-03-2017 , 10:30 AM

#1043

Bladesman87

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

I dont duck any moderating decision and no.

So you think that behaviour you claim should be criminal should be treated the same way as saying "No, that's wrong". How else do we explain your modding?

05-03-2017 , 10:35 AM

#1044

chezlaw

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BTW LC and/or obvious use of slurs is also more likely to get them deleted

05-03-2017 , 10:40 AM

#1045

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

@Noodle. By repeated I mean close together.

It wasn't anything like an arcane term for me. one of the reasons to include the posters in these decisions is that the meanings of these words isn't fixed.

Don't you get it Noodle? If it means something to chez he'll mod the **** out of it, you and the rest of the liberals don't mean anything to chez. Only the special konservative kids kollective mean anything to chez so he'll go fast to mod in their favor and **** around instead of modding against them. Totally impartial...

LOL

05-03-2017 , 10:41 AM

#1046

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladesman87

So you think that behaviour you claim should be criminal should be treated the same way as saying "No, that's wrong". How else do we explain your modding?

No I don't. I can't answer for how you choose to explain things. I'll answer for what I actually do - the good, the bad and the ugly.