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05-02-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You already have the main forum. Why repeat it here?

Unchained was fun. This version sucks. Whosnext sucks too.

Oh well. Thats life.
You're perma-banned from the main forum so if you hate it so much here and you're incapable of modifying your behaviour to suit even the new ultra-lenient rules, I guess your options are very limited.
05-02-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
As I said, I'm open to anything constructive. Do you have anything in mind?

I think Goofy wants far tighter modding of the content threads. I'm very sympathetic to that but I think others would be less happy about it.
Dejavu!
05-02-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You already have the main forum. Why repeat it here?

Unchained was fun. This version sucks. Whosnext sucks too.

Oh well. Thats life.
We should go back to unchained. Get rid of the haters like, well I don't wanna use any nameberts, but you know the type..easily offended, insecure, angry at the world, super high post count, Goofy spammer types.

Seriously, if you can't handle real talk, then stay amongst yourselves and don't participate. What type of person reports a post? Either respond to the post or ignore it. Stop trying to get people in trouble just because your jealous of them.
05-02-2017 , 04:31 PM
You wouldn't last 5 months in PU moasfasaoaful.
05-02-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You already have the main forum. Why repeat it here?

Unchained was fun. This version sucks. Whosnext sucks too.

Oh well. Thats life.
How come you don't give SMP a try? You'd like the moderation there, I think.
05-02-2017 , 04:52 PM
I'm going to weigh in here, just cuz the discussion is going to some extent to a high level "what do you want this forum to be?" question.

I want pure, open political discussion from both sides, without personal attacks.

So, I disagree with the left that wants viewpoints from the right deleted/banned.

I also disagree with Mongidig (and others?) who want very little moderation allowing basically unlimited personal attacks. I want personal attacks punished/deleted in whatever way reduces their prevalence.

I will add that this has nothing to do with not being able to handle it. Calling each other stupid or the f word or whatever else other pejorative you can think of is just boring. I can't stand wading through the personal attacks to try and find the actual thought presented. It's boring, and I can only read so much of that, before I just leave.
05-02-2017 , 05:35 PM
If you allow every imaginable view to be expressed the forum will very quickly turn into the most vile cesspit of racist and fascist views imaginable, with every critic of those views shouted down and effectively silenced.
05-02-2017 , 05:37 PM
I'm of the view that stupid views (racism) get beat by reasonable views being presented back to them. But, whatever, chez doesn't allow much extremism on the right anyway.
05-02-2017 , 05:48 PM
I'm of the view that we shouldn't go out of our way to give a soap box to vulgar bigots and their apologists.
05-02-2017 , 05:57 PM
I agree but unfortunately that's what chez's experiment has become.
05-02-2017 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
As has been explained to chez many times before, describing violence and bigotry against minorities as being "not PC" is trivializing and demeaning.
You have to keep in mind that this is a guy who took 3 months of convincing to finally come to the conclusion that calling people ******s is non-PC. And he still hasn't really decided what to do with that. Some people just like to think things through for a very long time.
05-02-2017 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
I'm of the view that we shouldn't go out of our way to give a soap box to vulgar bigots and their apologists.
This is like when you told mat he was supporting white supremacy and he told you to fellate him, right?
05-02-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
How come you don't give SMP a try? You'd like the moderation there, I think.
+1 to that. Anything goes there. TS is on a racist roll that would appeal to any right-winger.
05-02-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're perma-banned from the main forum so if you hate it so much here and you're incapable of modifying your behaviour to suit even the new ultra-lenient rules, I guess your options are very limited.
Only a ****ing fool would post in the main forum. Having 35 people all sharing the same political view and 1 person disagreeing is, in a word, ******ed.

Remember when Trump won the election and all of a sudden dozens of people posted that you've never seen before stopped by to laugh?

Lol.

Where do you think those people came from? You think they just somehow found 2+2 had a political forum and came by to be dicks?

You live in a fantasy world where you think the people who disagree with you are in overalls working in a farm somewhere. They don't. They are everywhere but will not participate due to people like you.

You live in a bubble, a fantasy land that doesn't exist. You're being lied to in every single way. Keep listening to people like Fly and reading CNN and patting yourself on the back for thinking you are on the right side of everything. Students think like that. You are not a student. Grow up a little bit and realize being successful in creating an illusion does not mean you changed reality.
05-02-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
How come you don't give SMP a try? You'd like the moderation there, I think.
I'm a very polarizing poster and I have no interest in tarding up another forum. I choose to limit myself in one place on 2+2. I'm not here to cause anyone like mat problems, so I stay in my box.

I read the other forums sometimes (like the POG thread) but I will not participate.
05-02-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Only a ****ing fool would post in the main forum. Having 35 people all sharing the same political view and 1 person disagreeing is, in a word, ******ed.
Exactly.
05-02-2017 , 06:26 PM
lol
05-02-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I'm going to weigh in here, just cuz the discussion is going to some extent to a high level "what do you want this forum to be?" question.

I want pure, open political discussion from both sides, without personal attacks.

So, I disagree with the left that wants viewpoints from the right deleted/banned.

I also disagree with Mongidig (and others?) who want very little moderation allowing basically unlimited personal attacks. I want personal attacks punished/deleted in whatever way reduces their prevalence.

I will add that this has nothing to do with not being able to handle it. Calling each other stupid or the f word or whatever else other pejorative you can think of is just boring. I can't stand wading through the personal attacks to try and find the actual thought presented. It's boring, and I can only read so much of that, before I just leave.
I don't want any moderation. If your too big of a puss not to be able to deal with real life then just frequent the fake world of alpha.
05-02-2017 , 06:45 PM
You'll never get an unmoderated forum on 2+2 so suck it up buttercup.
05-02-2017 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I don't want any moderation. If your too big of a puss not to be able to deal with real life then just frequent the fake world of alpha.
I can understand this point of view. As I said above, it's not that I can't handle it. It just bores me.
05-02-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
If you allow every imaginable view to be expressed the forum will very quickly turn into the most vile cesspit of racist and fascist views imaginable, with every critic of those views shouted down and effectively silenced.
That last sentence describes you people. Why poke your head in a place you cant handle. Just stay inside and lock your doors and fantasize about a world that will never exists.

Bring back unchained. Survival of the fittest. The weak whiners will be gone soon. Then we can have a real discussion.

BTW..Chez said it well..stop taking things so seriously. Its a fricking forum.
05-02-2017 , 06:55 PM
Racism will never cease to exist so we may as well just listen to *******s like you and Wil? LOL, moasosfasogalsol wants a safe space to be racist.
05-02-2017 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Except it's nonsense.

This is a forum - here we discuss stuff and being PC about it is a good approach. It's in a no way saying violence - which is a very serious matter - is a PC issues and I'm more extreme on criminalising hate speech than most.
Chez, is saying with a straight face that you might assault someone if they attempt to enter the women's bathroom when you're not certain that they were identified as female at birth hate speech?

Because that's what happened. Not only did Wil say he would prevent a trans person from entering a bathroom, he went a step further and said he might if he just weren't sure.

And you cleaned up that gaffe for him without so much as saying that that's beyond the line. You talk about how you think speech like that should be literally criminal but you don't think it's worth at least a word to a repeat offender?

You're a ****ing fraud.
05-02-2017 , 07:17 PM
I'm changing my preference in modding as well from nomodship to doing more about personal attacks, less on PC, and trolling. The P forum, trolling is unlimited, and personal attacks are unlimited depending on what your viewpoint is.
05-02-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
We should go back to unchained. Get rid of the haters like, well I don't wanna use any nameberts, but you know the type..easily offended, insecure, angry at the world, super high post count, Goofy spammer types.

Seriously, if you can't handle real talk, then stay amongst yourselves and don't participate. What type of person reports a post? Either respond to the post or ignore it. Stop trying to get people in trouble just because your jealous of them.
I reported Wil's post for two purposes. One, because Wil is a scumbag and he should be nuked from the forum. Two, because Chez is a scumbag and it's a lot of fun to show what a total ****ing hypocrite he is.

      
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