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Old 03-05-2017, 09:47 PM   #51
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

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Well, my opinion is that far right views should be allowed to be expressed, so should far left, and moderate views. Racism is another thing entirely, however.

If racists are the minority in the forum, they won't have much influence.

I'm a strong believer in direct action, so I'm going to take some action. I'm going to start a thread where anyone who wants to, can participate in this experiment. I think if people were able to see how it works in action, they might think it's a good idea. I personally think it's a good idea, and I'd love to see it in action, just as an experiment.

OK I've created a thread to try this as an experiment. There is a flowchart which helps to visually illustrate the process. Anyone is welcome to participate, but please do so in a good-faith manner, not with the intentions of disrupting the process.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...cracy-1657348/
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:55 PM   #52
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

No thread in this forum is independent of the rules of this forum. I think you mean it to so so I've locked the thread for now.

You may care to PM me and whosnext to discuss this further.
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:12 AM   #53
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Are so many of my posts deleted due to a vendetta or simply because you know I don't particularly care?
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:28 AM   #54
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I'm not sure which 'many' posts you're mean but some may have gone because of
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Any posts not related to moderation of Pv7.0 will be deleted.
The President trump thread has also had a lot of posts deleted for breaking the rules - I didn't notice many from yours caught up in the cull. If you think any of yours have been incorrectly deleted then let us know.

Whether you care or not has not factored into any decision. There is no vendetta - where any have been deleted it's because of the rules.
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:59 AM   #55
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Direct democracy is like a full time job. I went to occupy and played chess w randos, skipped GA.
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Old 03-06-2017, 01:36 AM   #56
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No thread in this forum is independent of the rules of this forum. I think you mean it to so so I've locked the thread for now.

You may care to PM me and whosnext to discuss this further.

I cannot PM.

I didn't mean that rules of the forum don't apply to the thread, I meant that rules established in the thread do not apply to the rest of the forum. I guess I didn't make that clear enough.
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Old 03-06-2017, 01:56 AM   #57
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Are so many of my posts deleted due to a vendetta or simply because you know I don't particularly care?
V did it. You're guilty. Here's a rose.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:43 PM   #58
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As I was saying.

This was posted in the P forum in the Obamacare thread. Question for chez would you consider this crossing the line regarding an alleged site wide ban on mysogyny and hate?
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:25 PM   #59
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This was posted in the P forum in the Obamacare thread. Question for chez would you consider this crossing the line regarding an alleged site wide ban on mysogyny and hate?
ill take "questions that demonstrate a lack of understanding re: misogyny for $2,000" alex!
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:31 PM   #60
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This was posted in the P forum in the Obamacare thread. Question for chez would you consider this crossing the line regarding an alleged site wide ban on mysogyny and hate?
It depends on who says it. If you are on the left it's just a humorous picture. If you are on the right it's insta-ban.
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:02 AM   #61
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Ok, ok...

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Some guidelines have recently been added to the forum rules. One of them applies to posting of tweets and links.

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Be considerate to other posters in the Content thread. Tweets, videos, links, pictures etc are generally welcome when relevant but please avoid using them excessively. If they are annoying others because of their quantity or repetition then they may be deleted.
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Holy God these Rhodes Scholars want a safe space to be protected from The News.
I don't even need to search for trending stories anymore. I know if I check the threads einbert or goofyballer will have shared helpful links.

And this is a bad thing. In a politics forum.
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:04 AM   #62
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Adios, could you explain what is misogynistic about that picture please?
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:19 AM   #63
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I'm not sure which 'many' posts you're mean but some may have gone because of The President trump thread has also had a lot of posts deleted for breaking the rules - I didn't notice many from yours caught up in the cull. If you think any of yours have been incorrectly deleted then let us know.

Whether you care or not has not factored into any decision. There is no vendetta - where any have been deleted it's because of the rules.
This was before our PM exchange, but what prompted that post, which I assumed would be taken properly as slightly facetious, was my post saying Johnycrash and Zwarte Piet could be my gimmick accounts ITT, which was deleted.

It was obviously topical imo.

Allow me to explain.

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Can something be done about Fives spam? His continuation of a fight with Wil is crazy.
Just put him on ignore. Then all you see is 4 or 5 of these in a row every time he has a meltdown (which is daily).
I'm suggesting it might be a concern of yours that regular posters process information this way. I find it hilarious when it's about me, but, it's not limited to just being about me!

Here is a poster who states, without a trace of irony or self-awareness, what he believes is a fact about the nature of my posts immediately after, in the same sentence, saying he has me on ignore, which he does.

Do you see how a mindset capable of that, when unleashed upon the depth and breadth of all topics, results in so much cluster****ery?



p.s. Standard remind that I prefer the cluster****ery and talking about this is against my best forum entertainment interests. My heart broke a little when I saw wil's deletions and timeout.
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Seems more dominatrix type stuff.
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:27 AM   #65
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This was posted in the P forum in the Obamacare thread. Question for chez would you consider this crossing the line regarding an alleged site wide ban on mysogyny and hate?
It wouldn't have occurred to me that this was anything but legitimate satire about the people involved. Politicians and public figures definitely aren't a protected group and I'm going to take a lot of persuading that it's offensive to women in general.
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:33 AM   #66
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I don't even need to search for trending stories anymore. I know if I check the threads einbert or goofyballer will have shared helpful links.

And this is a bad thing. In a politics forum.
Just fyi. Complaints about the tweets and repeated links are getting complaints from posters across the board.
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:37 AM   #67
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

I like the tweets since i dont tweet and apparently you need to to be informed on politics nowadays. With our twit pres and all.
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Old 03-07-2017, 05:42 AM   #68
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

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Some guidelines have recently been added to the forum rules. One of them applies to posting of tweets and links.

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Be considerate to other posters in the Content thread. Tweets, videos, links, pictures etc are generally welcome when relevant but please avoid using them excessively. If they are annoying others because of their quantity or repetition then they may be deleted.
Just sounds like you're giving them a way to make things go away that they don't like. Kinda like making legislation against peaceful protesters. For a forum sold on its premise of 'argue against the content', it sure seems like this misses the mark.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:32 AM   #69
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Your fair system is not fair at all. I see a whole pack of weeping vaginas attacking Wil from all sides. When Wil defends himself he gets time outs which looks like a road to his banning.

How is that fair?
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Old 03-07-2017, 08:39 AM   #70
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

It's fair because wil isn't the only one to have had warnings and time outs, and if he continues to break the rules about making personal attacks in content threads he should expect ever-lengthier time outs.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:52 AM   #71
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Your fair system is not fair at all. I see a whole pack of weeping vaginas attacking Wil from all sides. When Wil defends himself he gets time outs which looks like a road to his banning.

How is that fair?
As Jalfrezi says, everyone is getting the warnings and timeouts. We're not considering 'who started it', and we let a fair bit go, but Wil and everyone has to both stop making it about the users and stop responding to attacks in Content threads. They can report attacks on them (which are then fairly likely to be deleted) and if the attackers persist then they are going to get the timeouts.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:58 AM   #72
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

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I cannot PM.

I didn't mean that rules of the forum don't apply to the thread, I meant that rules established in the thread do not apply to the rest of the forum. I guess I didn't make that clear enough.

Hi there. So can you please unlock the thread so I can clarify?
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:03 AM   #73
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Just sounds like you're giving them a way to make things go away that they don't like. Kinda like making legislation against peaceful protesters. For a forum sold on its premise of 'argue against the content', it sure seems like this misses the mark.
It's not just anti-liberals who are complaining about excessive tweeting. Some might just be 'protesting' but there's a genuine concern about the readability of the threads and tweeting in itself is not making an argument.

We'e trying to make the Content threads good for everyone who wants to talk about politics. That's going to require some occasional compromises and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask posters to be considerate when using fast methods to fill the thread with volume
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:07 AM   #74
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Hi there. So can you please unlock the thread so I can clarify?
I've had a talk with whosnext and we aren't keen on your thread - especially given you are a new account. No promises and I would bet against the thread being allowed but post for a while and we can talk about it again.
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I propose a new rule:

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8) Links from some on-topic websites are banned (although you can still refer to or quote from them). To ban a website, a moderator (and only a moderator) can start a thread with a poll open for one week proposing to ban links from that website. If more than two-thirds of poll respondents say yes, then it is banned. To reverse a ban, follow the same procedure, but with only more than fifty percent needed to revoke the ban.

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This would replace the current rule where linking to a website is banned at moderator discretion. Deciding to censor a website will always be controversial and open the moderators up to accusations of bias. Thus, using a more open process with user input will increase the legitimacy with which this decision is perceived and remove the responsibility (and hence blame) for making this decision from the moderator.

Proposing a website to be banned should be kept to moderator discretion for a couple reasons.
-to cut down on frivolous process arguments about forum rules
-For progressives, as a sop to the fact that moderators in fact hold most of the power here and you can't just take it all away at once. For conservatives, moderators typically have the best sense of forum standards and how enforceable they are and so should play a larger role in the process than the common poster.

It should be a two-thirds majority:
-We should strive for consensus rather than majority if we censor a website. Censorship implies the censored view is not acceptable for discussion. If the view being censored is held by too large a group, then the discussion breakdown between this group and the majority group will negatively affect too much of the forum discussion as a whole.
So, no?
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