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I'm annoyed with both sides for the personal attacks.

To those generally on my side, juan and wil, mongidig(?), please rise above. Calling them idiots does not help our case.

To the reasonable libs (you know who you are), please rise above. Calling them idiots doesn't help your case.

The personal bull**** drives me away from this forum. Wading through it makes it a waste of my time. Then again, I think several of the libtrolls actually want us all driven away, cuz there is real discussion here.

stfu u ****ing moron

04-10-2017 , 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Being unPC isn't acceptable and people are very clearly and pretty constantly being told that.

Really? When's the last time you told mongidig that?

In what post did you make it clear to him the reasons why his posts were deleted for being un-PC and not simply for being off topic?

04-10-2017 , 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

That's pretty obscure. I assume this means any slang that has historically been used as a slight against mental ******ation is unacceptable?

No. I objected to it because I didnt find it obscure at all. That's exactly how it was commonly used when I was growing up. If that's changed and I'm now wrong then I will change the ruling.

I take you disagreeing with me on this as pretty strong evidence that I'm wrong but I'd like to hear more from others (and will read up on it a bit)

04-10-2017 , 07:08 PM

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mad much?

04-10-2017 , 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Really? When's the last time you told mongidig that?

In what post did you make it clear to him the reasons why his posts were deleted for being un-PC and not simply for being off topic?

Mongidig has been avoiding the forum because he objects to the PC rules. Then he comes back and has just had a batch of posts deleted. My preference is for him to post and comply with the rules but any idea he doesn't understand that he has to be PC leaves me dumbfounded.

04-10-2017 , 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

So the answer to my question is...no, you didn't tell him. Great work you're doing here with your forum of racist asshats.

04-10-2017 , 07:31 PM

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I have no doubt that Mongidig is aware of the following:

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Being unPC isn't acceptable and people are very clearly and pretty constantly being told that.

If you think he isn't aware then we disagree but in the end it doesn't matter much as the same timeouts will apply whether I correctly or incorrectly believe that he is aware.

04-10-2017 , 07:34 PM

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Jalfrezis take on there being a conspiracy of me and poker and Juan all coming back is comical.

Make no mistake, I am not "back" in any real sense. I don't care to post in a forum where my posts are deleted and the conversations are steered in a certain direction. I would have participated in the gender wage gap thread but I literally can't express my views, so why bother?

There is no reason to participate because my language and my views are being curbed. I do have some satisfaction that many others feel the same way.

Carry on, feel free. Until something changes i will just be on the sidelines, if at all.

04-10-2017 , 07:36 PM

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@Noodle

There was a debate a few years ago on this very subject because of Ricky Gervais https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-mong-twitter

Quote:

... Fair comment. However, his return has marked something of a watershed for me because having written about his contribution to reducing bigotry and ignorance around disability, the language he is using on Twitter, complete with photos, has made me reconsider my opinion.

He is using the word "mong".

Anyone who is disabled or who loves someone with a disability knows what that word means because they will have heard it used about them abusively at some stage. Along with "******" and "spaz", it's a prominent verbal feature of the bullies' toolkit.

I'm 45 and I know that. Ricky Gervais is 50, so he will definitely know that – besides, he tackles the issue in an episode of Extras in which a boy with Down's syndrome is referred to as a "mongoloid".

Gervais's younger fans may justifiably claim ignorance about the word, but my 17-year-old daughter knows what it means because it was used about her sister, and she herself was called ******ed.

The reason that younger people may not have heard it is because of the excellent work done by the Down's Syndrome Association, among others, which has ensured that the word has been pretty much dropped from use....

04-10-2017 , 07:45 PM

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So you can't misspell someone's name for a laugh, but clowns like 5ive can call people ****ing morons as often as they like.

04-10-2017 , 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

mad much?

who me?

04-10-2017 , 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

It was common usage when I was growing up as well.

Last edited by BroadwaySushy; 04-10-2017 at 07:56 PM.

04-10-2017 , 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Oh for sure, it's definitely changing. mongidig started posting less in the Trump thread so it got derailed much less often and needed much less moderator attention. Then he comes back and drops a bunch of racist takes (which he is rarely if ever told by the mods is not ok, because you coddle racists) and all of a sudden moderators have to start scrubbing the thread clean. Gee, I wonder what the ****ing change is here?

you have a world record of spamming headlines in the thread. now you have accused him of derailing his own thread. you sir, are a gem

04-10-2017 , 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 5ive

who me?

yes, you

04-10-2017 , 08:05 PM

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you have a world record of spamming headlines in the thread. now you have accused him of derailing his own thread. you sir, are a gem

Oh of course, news related to the president is suuuuuch a derail in the...thread about the president

04-10-2017 , 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

yes, you

No, why would you ask that?

I mean, besides the obvious *cough* reason.

04-10-2017 , 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

So you can't misspell someone's name for a laugh, but clowns like 5ive can call people ****ing morons as often as they like.

Not in content thread he can't/ This mod thread is a bit between content and !!! but even here he can only get away with it sometimes.

btw 5ive has plenty of posts deleted.

04-10-2017 , 08:07 PM

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Oh of course, news related to the president is suuuuuch a derail in the...thread about the president

It's makes more sense when you realize juan is a beta test chatbot.

04-10-2017 , 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Not in content thread he can't/ This mod thread is a bit between content and !!! but even here he can only get away with it sometimes.

btw 5ive has plenty of posts deleted.

I have the clear record. Lolwil etc.

04-10-2017 , 08:11 PM

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chez, you should also consider that calling someone a racist, bigot, phobe, xyz'ist without providing any sort of explanation is far worse than being called a mong or middle eastern media company. its actually more offensive than being called an a-hole, moron, scumbag etc

i think if you are going to have any sort of tone policing (which i dont) then you should certainly be including serious labels like racist or bigot before yawn worthy generic stuff like ******, dbag, etc. i also think it would be nice to see those who throw around labels try to articulate an actual thought

oh and can we at least add egyptian christians to the vulnerable group list. given the other groups that are on the list, it seems very bigoted to exclude them at this point

04-10-2017 , 08:34 PM

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Wait, why not be proud of your racism and bigotry?

04-10-2017 , 08:38 PM

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Juan, we dont seem to be communicating very well on the 'offensive' issue. For PC purposes, there's no concern for how offended the person being called the name is. The offense is to the vulnerable group and that's actually about the harm that's done to them by prejudice and discrimination.

04-10-2017 , 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

ok got it but as i mentioned i dont really care if theres name calling or not anyways

but dont forget to address the new vulnerable group i proposed. given your criteria and the situation at hand, the egyptian christian group is far more vulnerable than other groups you have on the list. i will give you a few moments to think it over before we start discussing if we have a case of bigotry here

also have you noticed anyone following me around like a kid that needs attention from daddy? just curious

04-10-2017 , 08:43 PM

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Right, calling juan a '******' is offensive to differently-abled people for many reasons, the least of which is because the vast majority of them are smarter than him.