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Mostly agree with this.

I think there's always going to be some tension between allowing insults (which are almost necessarily transgressive in the sense of labeling some implicit group of people as undesirable) and drawing lines as to which kinds of insults are acceptable or not. My feeling is that the best of all the ad hoc options is just (more or less) to base the lines on widely known and understood cultural standards. So, for me, if an insult is acceptable in a PG-13 movie it probably should be acceptable here. That's a pretty rough approximation. For a politics forum focused on US politics it seems like a good place to start though.

That said, that's just my opinion and my interpretation often differs from chez/whosnext, so I'm often outvoted. But that's my $.02

My personal line in the sand is when the idiots start calling other people idiots, either directly or indirectly. If I've broken my own rule I'm ready and willing to pay a penance, but I don't think I have.

I mean, it's been awhile since I watched Forrest Gump, but I don't recall the titular character saying, "I may not be a smart man, but I know I'm smarter than you idiots."

Yeah, I'm trolling you, but that's how I know the bolded isn't true. When you were first 'accused' of that I 'defended' you.

Imagine if Jonathan Swift had been born in the days of the internet.

that n00b would get pwnt

Ok, look, if you guys don't want to officially change the name to The Stupid Forum, can we at least change it to Dunning And Kruger's Fun Time Emporium?

When i said "you", i thought you were the other sock puppet. My bad on that. Anyway, we're all good.

I imagine he would've read the youtube comments section and figured it was too late for him.

Can we start having a discussion about mongidig and JiggyMac? These posters are not Americans, but they are constantly pushing pro right wing American propaganda. They bring absolutely nothing of value to the forum as they are extremely uneducated about America, intellectually dishonest, and it's obvious they're just posting because of a propagandist agenda.

We can start with "Ye know not of what ye speak."

Jiggy's intention is to disrupt and troll in an effort to "hurt" liberals and liberal-supporting arguments. IIRC, he stated as much. He is consistently dishonest both in stating supposed facts and in attacking other posters.

I'm very reluctant to discriminate based on nationality as a) politics is international with, in particular, what the USA does being very significant to all of us non-USAers, and b) posters from the left/liberal wings also 'push' the other side.


People wanted it more PUey. My strong personal preference is to cut out the trolling and LC posts (and take other measures as required to keep it on topic and engaging) but the rules are going to apply to everybody equally. The forum participants get a big say in where the lines should be so do all speak up.

Bull ****ing ****, chezlaw, you're protecting your racist friends because you agree with them. That's literally why Mat put you in charge here. Gold star for chezlaw.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed because they're not American, I'm saying they're not American but they try to act like they are to push a propagandist agenda.

What value do they bring to the forum?

Can you qualify what you mean by this?

I'm very wary of mods judging posters by perceived value. Either posts break the rules or they don't.

Lots of us foreigners on the liberal/left speak about USA political issues. We can speak, for examples, in support of BLM and against trump. I don't think the liberal/left should be silenced because we are foreigners so I can't support opposing it from the right wingers.

Deceptive separatists and supremacists is rather par for course. I mean, no such thing as honest racism.

There's a difference between what you describe, and someone posing as an American pushing constant right wing propaganda and vitriol.

Can you point me to one poster who is politically left and non-American, but presents themselves as American and posts nothing but vitriolic left wing propaganda?

Regarding the rules, there's not one regarding sock puppet propaganda accounts. So if there were such accounts, which I strongly suspect mongidig and JiggyMac of being, then they wouldn't be breaking any rules by conducting their psy-ops freely on this forum. Don't you think a lack of such a rule is a problem?

So if they made clear they weren't american then you would have no objection? Isn't the issue bigger than that?

On posters of value to the forum. What your view on posters who's aim is to see the forum closed down? I stick to my view that their posts still get moded by the same rules as everyone else but what should we I do if we were judging posters based on their value to the forum?

No, I would have no objections if they said something like "I'm not an American, and don't know a lot about this, but I have this casual perspective as someone from ____, because it relates to issues we face in ____." Instead they're all "I'm from USA, Trump is so great! The leftists have got it coming! The leftists in America are so racist!" etc. They're blatantly pushing far right American vitriolic propaganda in the forum, and they're not American. They don't care about having any sort of honest debate, they just want to bad mouth American leftists. There is absolutely nothing constructive about this.

It's like this: I'm not Russian. But if I were to post on what was largely a Russian forum, about the topic of Russian politics, and I was continuously and ferverously posting pro-Putin stuff, or anti-Democratic stuff furthering Putin's agenda, as if I were Russian, it would be pretty suspicious of me. Don't you agree? I would have to have some sort of agenda, don't you agree?

A poster's value to the forum is an entirely subjective thing, and different people will have different opinions. I'm curious if you would take off your mod hat, and respond just as a poster, what value does mongidig and JiggyMac bring to the forum?

I don't think people railing to close the forum bring much value to the place fwiw.

It does sound suspicious that anyone would watch US politics from the outside and think "I wish we had some of that Trump".

Why don't you just ignore them? It's just a couple of clicks from finding your inner peace.

It would be nice to be able to have an adult discussion. Ignoring the drunken idiot dancing on the table trying to piss in everyone's drink doesn't always cut it. (mho)