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07-13-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Things have gotten worse since you showed up. You're a net negative. Not as bad as jalfrezi but close.
I certainly understand why you feel this way; it's a rude experience for someone who believes so strongly in their feelings, like you, to run into people who argue with facts.

As an example, you've said a couple times recently that all I've done since I joined this forum is attack people. You feel that to be true. It is, of course, totally false, as when I joined here it was a heavily moderated environment where attacks were deleted and dealt with. While you were busy racking up timeouts culminating in getting 2 weeks off for continually attacking others and breaking the rules, I was engaging in respectful dialogue with others.

And then rules were relaxed, and here we are.
07-13-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
There is no way to "respectfully" argue with someone who calls you a racist or a bigot.
When you act in such a way to qualify and it's called out, it's not an argument- you are being confronted and the racism/ bigotry indicated is being openly discredited. Alls you can do is blame someone (LEFTISTS) or some other such dodge if you are not going to take responsibility for your own prejudices.

So there is not an argument happening in such a spot, respectful or otherwise.
07-13-2017 , 07:33 PM
When you call someone a racist/bigot without hard evidence to back it up, then you deserve no respect.
07-13-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
When you call someone a racist/bigot without hard evidence to back it up, then you deserve no respect.
What counts as "hard evidence" IYO?

Let's say I called someone a misogynist, or a Communist, or a 'statist', or a Raiders fan. IYO, does the same "hard evidence" standard apply?
07-13-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
When you call someone a racist/bigot without hard evidence to back it up, then you deserve no respect.
The indications of prejudice are not invisible when expressed with words in an open forum.
07-13-2017 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
What counts as "hard evidence" IYO?

Let's say I called someone a misogynist, or a Communist, or a 'statist', or a Raiders fan. IYO, does the same "hard evidence" standard apply?
Hard evidence would be obvious and deliberate racist statements or racial slurs, for example.

Just because someone supports Trump doesn't make them a racist or bigot. But many on the left contend that it does.

If that is your criteria for racism, you are not going to get any respect from me.
07-13-2017 , 08:00 PM
Same thing with calling me a fascist or nazi just because I support Trump. It's a disrespectful and a deliberate attempt to deligitimize my opinions.

Don't be surprised if I fight back impolitely.
07-13-2017 , 08:09 PM
Whoever openly supports a racist, a bigot, a nazi, or a fascist has indicated that. Sleep with country dogs, you get them country fleas. Especially supporting such types of people having authority and position with which to act to do harm.
07-13-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's matter of how frequentlydo you need to be reminded?

I think we can be lite touch on a few LC personal attacks following a post with some content (that is what posters want I believe) but also step in when it's just becoming the bickering and same old personal battles which most posters don't seem to want in practice.
Seems fair enough.

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Political discussion where both sides are so polarized as in American politics, is never going to be polite and respectful. It's just not going to happen. The differences are too extreme, the divide is too big. Wishing it was all nice and polite is just naive imo.
I'd say the no content posters like yourself are a bigger issue then the insult comics who put a little content in their post. Least as far as noise ratio.
07-13-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Hard evidence would be obvious and deliberate racist statements or racial slurs, for example...
Can "hard evidence" also be evinced by actions, as well as words?

How about the other slurs I mentioned. Would the standard for calling someone a misogynist be obvious and deliberate sexist statements or sexist slurs? For Communist would it be obvious and deliberate recitation of Marxist dogma, and slurring Trotsky -xor- Stalin? For 'statist' would it be obvious and deliberate denial of being an ACer, while also slurring ACers?

Or... is the r-word different?
07-13-2017 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
When you call someone a racist/bigot without hard evidence to back it up, then you deserve no respect.
You use leftist as a dig and use it wrongly regularly. You have no leg to stand on. Neither does any of the other fainting couches.
07-13-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Whoever openly supports a racist, a bigot, a nazi, or a fascist has indicated that. Sleep with country dogs, you get them country fleas. Especially supporting such types of people having authority and position with which to act to do harm.
What if I believe Trump is none of those things?
07-13-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
What if I believe Trump is none of those things?
Then you're a moron and allergic to facts. But we already knew that.
07-13-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Then you're a moron and allergic to facts. But we already knew that.
Well, that may or may not be true, but does that make me a racist?
07-13-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Seems fair enough.



I'd say the no content posters like yourself are a bigger issue then the insult comics who put a little content in their post. Least as far as noise ratio.
I post content all the time, dickwad.
07-13-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
What if I believe Trump is none of those things?
Perhaps you'll have to choose to take personal responsibility for what you believe for when it is inconsistent with what is indicated.
07-13-2017 , 09:53 PM
I believe it isn't inconsistent. But to get back to the point, does it make me a racist or not?
07-13-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
I post content all the time, dickwad.
No. Most of your post are digs at librirals something something about winning and complaints about a fourm that won't let you post.
07-13-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
You already know what my opinion is, but for everyone else: I disagree. I think it's up to the posters to determine what kind of forum they want, at least within the site rules. The entire reason the rules were relaxed is because that's what a fairly large majority of posters wanted. And I think it's pretty hard to run a forum successfully against the desires of most of the participants. Obviously I didn't go along with it because I was looking forward to getting a lot more one-liners in. I think most of the posting in this forum is pretty ****ty. If the posters change their mind about what they want, I'll be happy to see the moderation change too.

I appreciate this stance.
07-13-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
I believe it isn't inconsistent. But to get back to the point, does it make me a racist or not?
Support for a racist -in particular as a leader is an indication of being a racist.
07-13-2017 , 10:04 PM
I posted links to relevant content in two separate posts yesterday, to back up my claims.
07-13-2017 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Same thing with calling me a fascist or nazi just because I support Trump. It's a disrespectful and a deliberate attempt to deligitimize my opinions.

Don't be surprised if I fight back impolitely.

I supported Sanders in the primary. If he had won the primary, and then went on to win the general election via collusion with the Russians, I'd be calling him a ****ing traitor and wanting him to be impeached.

Trump colluding with the Russians is absolutely undeniable. Trump and his administration are ****ing traitors, how can you support them?
07-13-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Support for a racist -in particular as a leader is an indication of being a racist.
Support for someone you don't believe to be racist is not racist.
07-13-2017 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
I supported Sanders in the primary. If he had won the primary, and then went on to win the general election via collusion with the Russians, I'd be calling him a ****ing traitor and wanting him to be impeached.

Trump colluding with the Russians is absolutely undeniable. Trump and his administration are ****ing traitors, how can you support them?
Well, you are a liar.

There is no proof that Trump colluded with the Russians.
07-13-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Support for someone you don't believe to be racist is not racist.
That seems convenient for you, but no one else is obligated to adopt your beliefs.

      
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