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Apart from Wookie's personality disorder(s), and inconsistent/poor modding around selectively enforcing the rules, the disagreement in politics comes down to a fundamental philosophical difference, which is basically:

- Is it racist to not be enthusiastically pro the minority on all issues?

There are a quite a few very weird/unsophisticated human beings who think that it is racist to not be enthusiastically pro the minority, who have been indoctrinated into that view of life with a fervor approaching cult religion.

Thus when they call you racist, some of them deeply believe it, even though normal people see their comments as absurd. These bigots (like all bigots) deeply believe they are on the side of good, just like Mao's torture squads did in their quest to remove the scourge of "reactionary rightism", the cause of all evil and all the problems of the peasant (in their weirdo heads - just like racism is the cause of all minority problems in these people's weirdo worldviews). It's all the same instinct, just a different age and subject matter and means of enforcement of their bigotry.

What can you do against such narrow minded, fascist ideologies? Particularly when it's taken as a truth in parts of the US and certain social circles?

As far as modding goes, the only way is to clearly define what constitutes racism in the rules. Uncertainty around that is the cause of a lot of issues in politics.

And the people with the incredibly narrow, bigoted view of racism need to take a philosophy and critical thinking class or two. Since that's not going to happen - religious indoctrination sticks for a long time - I recommend more clearly defined and properly enforced rules.

A good Mod should be able to separate their emotions from their decisions. I gather there is no training involved in becoming a Mod. I would make a great Mod because I have self awareness and objectivity. A great quote I heard that I think could benefit moderators and posters alike. "Observation is power, judgement is weakness.

12-29-2016 , 11:20 AM

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ToothSayer

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The rules say "no racism". These people have such ideological blinders on that any taking of the side that's not the minority opinion - even being sympathetic with an unrelated point of someone deemed a "racist" - is "racism". In their mind they're doing God's work and following/enforcing the rules.

It's not about emotions. They're just nuts. It's no more or less complicated than that. They're like evangelicals or truthers or ACists except with racism.

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12-29-2016 , 11:25 AM

#78

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This is a separate issue of course from Wookie's insanely one sided enforcing of the rules.

12-29-2016 , 12:07 PM

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13ball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mongidig

It doesn't matter how he got the job. The question is whether he is doing a good job. I suspect he is not based on the overwhelming amount of complaints ive heard.

The bigger question is, why are you defending him?

Wookie's doing a fine job. He's not perfect. The people who complain tend to be the worst, most annoying posters.

Consider the alternative: PU is terrible.

12-29-2016 , 12:15 PM

#80

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He's doing a fine job because you're one of the privileged classes. You have the same ideology as Wookie. Your comment is like saying that a religion discussion forum with an evangelical mod that only bans atheists has good moderation. You happen to be an evangelical, so you're happy...well except for the million dollars or so he collectively lost 2p2 by creating a childish echo chamber.

12-29-2016 , 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

Wookie's doing a fine job. He's not perfect. The people who complain tend to be the worst, most annoying posters.

I agree about wookie and you are right that Trolly, Dids when he was around and lowkey of course being among the worst and annoying posters.

Quote:

Consider the alternative: PU is terrible.

A bad alternative does not imply alternatives are bad.

12-29-2016 , 01:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

It's because posts are not independent. A few trollies and flies can quickly turn whole threads to the usual noise.

We can always have LC threads for the the entertainment.

It can work. And there is more then them insulting.

12-29-2016 , 01:38 PM

#83

chezlaw

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Yes I know it's more than them.

But they are indicative of the group who have somehow confused the personal attacks etc with politics and defend it as a good thing.

12-29-2016 , 01:40 PM

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batair

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We wont agree on getting rid of personal insults kid.

12-29-2016 , 01:45 PM

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chezlaw

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I'm pretty sure you will get your way as personal attacks etc are so popular with the regulars even though they complain so much about the inevitable result.

12-29-2016 , 01:52 PM

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My way is personal attacks should be allowed and people should not personally attack. So its unlikely i will get my way.

12-29-2016 , 01:57 PM

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chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by batair

My way is personal attacks should be allowed and people should not personally attack. So its unlikely i will get my way.

That is unfortunately unrealistic on the internet. Most people will respond to personal attacks etc and especially so when a group uses it as a tactic to control threads and try to run people off.

12-29-2016 , 02:15 PM

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batair

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Thats why i said its unlikely get my way.

12-29-2016 , 04:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

You idiots are pathetic. You couldn't figure out how to spew your vitriol in alpha without getting in trouble from Wookie and now you're trying to come up with rules for PU? Why? Mat's anything goes policy isn't good enough for you? You're tired of painting the thinest facade on your hatred of the other and just want to come out with it? No mater what framework you post your tired hateful thoughts on you won't be able to hide the underlying smallness of your ideas or meanness of your character.

tl;dr

You guys could **** up a wet dream

Please note that this is coming from the removed mod of Unchained.

12-29-2016 , 04:45 PM

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kerowo

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I stand by every word

12-29-2016 , 04:51 PM

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wil318466

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In fairness to MrWookie, his job sucks. To be honest, he sucks at it, though.

And, PU is far, far better than P. Without a doubt. People in P are either SJWs who jerk each other off or lurkers. Any dissenting opinion winds up getting banned or shouted down until they aren't willing to argue anymore.

12-29-2016 , 04:51 PM

#92

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

I stand by every word

Kerowo, you literally got de-modded from a forum that doesn't need moderation. How do you explain yourself?

12-29-2016 , 05:04 PM

#93

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How do you explain thinking it's ok for the police to beat up some black people to keep the peace or that it is ever OK to punch a child in the head?

12-29-2016 , 05:19 PM

#94

wil318466

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You answer first.

12-29-2016 , 05:31 PM

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wil318466

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It's humorous idiot kerowo has adopted the fly way of arguing like a child.

12-29-2016 , 05:44 PM

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The ****ing simpleton literally answers his own question before he asks it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

Kerowo, you literally got de-modded from a forum that doesn't need moderation. How do you explain yourself?

12-29-2016 , 05:50 PM

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chezlaw

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That doesn't do kerowo justice though. He also turned being petty and partisan into performance art

The guy somehow actually managed to make PU more ridiculous than anyone had dreamt possible! For that we should be eternally grateful.