LMAO, you've been reading too many of wil's and chez's posts

See? This gleeful trolling tone is what chezlaw goes to whenever his hypocrisy gets expose. He literally does not care about incivility or divisiveness or hatred or whatever, and you can tell because of how he treats incivil reactionaries as "obviously intelligent" and defends their outbursts as understandable and ****.

That benefit is never, never, never extended to anyone left of center. Because he doesn't ****ing agree with us!

And that's an ongoing thing with these disingenious ****tards. Lestat calls people racist at the drop of a ****ing hat, over literally nothing, he just randomly winds up and accuses liberals of being racist every 5-10 posts. No introspection there.

They aren't playing by rules, man, and if you impose rules they just see that as something to angle. You're bound by facts, you're bound by decency, you're bound by logic. And they ****ing love it.

All the free speech absolutists and anti-safe space people FLIPPED OUT and tried to get that Drexel professor fired for his White Genocide joke. You think they are going to like, acknowledge that if confronted? "Oh jeez that really does contradict my previously established principles"?

These mother****ers don't have principles! They just have hatred. They ****ing hate secular Western society for its tolerance and its diversity.

Remember when you said you weren't a whining crybaby fly?

If you don't want to play with the adults then try concentrating on politics and we can keep it serious. On the other hand if you want a good solid ding dong then at least try to enjoy it.

Which sides of which arguments aren't being fairly considered?


So chezlaw, my good man, what would happen to ToothSayer in your preferred forum? To FoldN? To duffee? To Bruce? Do they post with the level of "PC" you think is appropriate or would they be banned?

Like you and me they would all know the rules that apply to everyone equally.

More quality content from the Chezster!

Thank you.

Yes that is what rules mean. Would they be banned if they made the un-PC posts they've made under the current regime under the forum as you'd prefer it?

Or are their posts about Holocaust denial, slavery apologism, Islamophobia, and so forth PC enough for you?

Has there ever been a 2p2 poster who you believe should be banned due to the content of their posts, the opinions they express?

It doesn't matter how he got the job. The question is whether he is doing a good job. I suspect he is not based on the overwhelming amount of complaints ive heard.

The bigger question is, why are you defending him?

Right, like how TS and wil and the rest of the n----r-lover-hater crew call me the REAL racist and it's an endless source of amusement.

Fingers crossed TS takes the bet.

No it's not what rules mean. Rules can be designed to be objective or subjective, they can be clear or opaque, they can allow for bias and favour or not. Kerowo is here to remind us just how wrong you are. No-mod will ever be perfect of course but the aim can be to ensure that everyone knows the rules and to know that the mod will endeaver to enforce them objectively and constructively.

I know you want me to discuss specific posters but it isn't going to happen.

My forum preferences would be, explanations, warnings, temp bans from threads etc. No regular 2+2ers should have to worry about a 2+2 ban unless they break the 2+2 site rules.

My preference isn't about banning people, it's about a place where participants endeavor to be PC in return for threads kept on topic and without the personal attacks etc. I accept I'm in a minority so it isn't going to happen but you did ask.

There's just been a discussion about that poster who I would ban in a heartbeat. You must remember - you called him my buddy.

Tell us again Fly how Chezlaw and Scott Alexander are racists, and I'll tell you how your bubble has already burst.

We could solve P so easily, the rules there are fine, they just need a real attempt at even enforcement. Wookie can't do it by himself, nobody that passionate could. If they can't find a dispassionate mod, they need to try to add an equally passionate right wing mod to enforce the rules where Wookie won't. Problem solved.

Still dont understand why its so hard to scroll over things you dont want to read. PU could work if the good posters posted and people used the scroll wheel. It would be entertainment for all! Those who like the petty bickering and those who like good debate.

I know it cant work that way, though RGT came close imo...

I'm hoping the next generation of internet politiphiles (those wearing diapers now) will develop brain wrinkles that effortlessly alert and allow them to casually dismiss trolls. Either that or society as a whole just grows into this damn thing.

I don't know if you're "right wing", but they could make you mod.

Broad brush attack, hate speech, no citation from a mod no less. Another AIDS post? It doesn't take much to find them.

He's not a mod is he?

It's because posts are not independent. A few trollies and flies can quickly turn whole threads to the usual noise.

We can always have LC threads for the the entertainment.

Indeed. The internet will mature and the kiddies wont dominate quite so much.

Already spend way too much time here. Finding people with the time to mod must be pretty tough.

Why do there need to be Mods? Why are prople so sensitive? Why would you care if someone calls you a name? We are all adults we should be able to handle it.

Let people have extreme views on both sides. Let them express themselves. If you don't like it, don't read it. Pretty simple.

This is why we have turned into a country of pussies. We are so coddled and protected. This is why I like Trump. He is showing you can say or do what you want and still become President.

It's very rarely anyhting to do with us being sensitive. There is a line where it goes beyond acceptability but that's rare scummy stuff like family trolling or worse.

From a forum point of view the discussion is far more interesting if its moderated to prevent it degenerating. The reason why personal attacks, trollign etc are commonly banned is because they quickly dominate everything else.

From a political point of view, PC isn't to protect our feelings or to save the kerowoes of this world from their fake displays of offense. It's because of the real harm that's done to vulnerable groups

Apart from Wookie's personality disorder(s), and inconsistent/poor modding around selectively enforcing the rules, the disagreement in politics comes down to a fundamental philosophical difference, which is basically:

- Is it racist to not be enthusiastically pro the minority on all issues?

There are a quite a few very weird/unsophisticated human beings who think that it is racist to not be enthusiastically pro the minority, who have been indoctrinated into that view of life with a fervor approaching cult religion.

Thus when they call you racist, some of them deeply believe it, even though normal people see their comments as absurd. These bigots (like all bigots) deeply believe they are on the side of good, just like Mao's torture squads did in their quest to remove the scourge of "reactionary rightism", the cause of all evil and all the problems of the peasant (in their weirdo heads - just like racism is the cause of all minority problems in these people's weirdo worldviews). It's all the same instinct, just a different age and subject matter and means of enforcement of their bigotry.

What can you do against such narrow minded, fascist ideologies? Particularly when it's taken as a truth in parts of the US and certain social circles?

As far as modding goes, the only way is to clearly define what constitutes racism in the rules. Uncertainty around that is the cause of a lot of issues in politics.

And the people with the incredibly narrow, bigoted view of racism need to take a philosophy and critical thinking class or two. Since that's not going to happen - religious indoctrination sticks for a long time - I recommend more clearly defined and properly enforced rules.

That makes sense! Thanks