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If smoking with children in the house was considered child endangerment, it would probably be prosecuted as a misdemeanor, with the likely punishment being probation and some form of counseling.

For sure man, if parents miss a counseling session that was demanded by the courts the kids should be taken away! No matter what the reason?

Like, what the **** are you thinking?

11-25-2014 , 12:41 PM

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ikestoys

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Originally Posted by master3004

I've decided to take the step to finally ignore the pile of dishonest ass that is ikes. Any idea how to do this on a phone?

lol go ahead ****tard. You've been slapped around long enough, take your ball home and cry by yourself already.

11-25-2014 , 12:41 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

Kids deserve parents who care enough to go to counseling.

they may do but what follows from that either way?

11-25-2014 , 12:43 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by master3004

Do you think kids deserve to be endangered by parents too selfish to try to fix a behavior that is hurting them?

No but they don't deserve to be put into the system either.

11-25-2014 , 12:45 PM

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master3004

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

No but they don't deserve to be put into the system either.

Then...

I hate the "you're wrong but I have absolutely no alternative option" opinion. Take a stand man, what should be done. Parent is endangering child's health later on in life. They are told to stop or face consequence, and they decide to continue smoking in the home because it is what THEY want. What is the correct course of action?

11-25-2014 , 12:47 PM

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ikestoys

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If master knows he's going to lose a hand on the river, he's going to ****ing call that river bet to make sure he DOES SOMETHING even if it means he loses more.

Idiot.

11-25-2014 , 12:50 PM

#21307

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by master3004

Definitely don't put the kids into care just because the parents smoke.

If there's some way to help that is nowhere near as harmful to the kids as putting the kids into care then let's consider it.

11-25-2014 , 12:51 PM

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master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Definitely don't put the kids into care just because the parents smoke.

If there's some way to help that is nowhere near as harmful to the kids as putting the kids into care then let's consider it.

Like what? I suggested ways. Counseling and addiction help. What were you thinking?

11-25-2014 , 12:52 PM

#21309

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Like what? I suggested ways. Counseling and addiction help. What were you thinking?

What you actually suggested was convicting them of a crime.

11-25-2014 , 12:58 PM

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chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Like what? I suggested ways. Counseling and addiction help. What were you thinking?

Education is no 1. Advice to not smoke near the kids is much easier to follow than quitting smoking.

Free counseling, support and anti-addiction services are a very good idea. Maybe some sanction and even compulsory attendance but not if the kids pay a high price for it.

btw. I'm not claiming you would want kids put into care because the parents smoke near them.

edit: I'm conscious that discussing this make us all bad posters so maybe somewhere else.

11-25-2014 , 01:02 PM

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AsianNit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

For sure man, if parents miss a counseling session that was demanded by the courts the kids should be taken away! No matter what the reason?

Like, what the **** are you thinking?

I never said that counseling had to be part of the punishment, just that it was likely, therefore I believe that there is some flexibility in assigning punishment. It would be reasonable to assume that I believe there would be similar flexibility in determining the penalty for missing a counseling session, so that there is no single mandatory punishment.

Thinking in terms of ranges isn't something that only applies to poker.

11-25-2014 , 01:05 PM

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AsianNit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

they may do but what follows from that either way?

Those kids may deserve better parents. Those parents may deserve to lose their kids. There may be no practical way to give everyone what they deserve and we are left with settling for an imperfect status quo.

11-25-2014 , 01:23 PM

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Firstly, I think it's important to note that this really is a question of risk tolerance. If exposure to 2nd hand smoke for 5+ years lead to cancer 100% of the time then everyone would be on board with calling smoking in the house child endangerment.

Next, I think a much more compelling case for child endangerment could be made for parents who feed their children fast food and 60 oz of soda every day. Think the dangers of that are far scarier than 2nd hand smoke exposure.

11-25-2014 , 03:52 PM

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exposing kids to 2nd hand smoke by smoking in the house = child abuse

exposing kids to UV radiation by not letting them put sunscreen on = just good public policy

11-25-2014 , 03:53 PM

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pvn

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11-25-2014 , 04:05 PM

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ikestoys

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looooooool

11-25-2014 , 05:13 PM

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Chips Ahoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

I've decided to take the step to finally ignore the pile of dishonest ass that is ikes. Any idea how to do this on a phone?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...ignore&u=68930

11-25-2014 , 05:15 PM

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master3004

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Thanks man, I found it a bit ago. He just can't have an honest discussion. It's completely worthless

11-25-2014 , 05:17 PM

#21319

microbet

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A worst poster thread is childish and every derail is an improvement.

11-25-2014 , 06:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

exposing kids to 2nd hand smoke by smoking in the house = child abuse

exposing kids to UV radiation by not letting them put sunscreen on = just good public policy

Hahaha

Was it master that had this set of positions? All I remember about the sunscreen policy was spank arguing for it and dvaut losing his mind and complaining about libertarians

11-25-2014 , 06:58 PM

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master3004

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No, I've never expressed an opinion on sunscreen

11-25-2014 , 07:34 PM

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wil318466

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Man you guys are really out of hand here. I'm not trying to get involved but if you really want to makes Ikes look reasonable, this is a how you do it.

Looking at some of these fat kids out there today really makes me sick. I feel really bad for them when they are morbidly obese at 9 years old. Even then, I shun the idea of them being taken away from their parents. A kid being taken from their parents is pretty much the worst thing you can do to them, like, a guarantee "your life is now ****ed" type of situation.

I'm a bit shocked anyone would take that position over second hand smoke. I think it's a bit strange.

11-25-2014 , 07:40 PM

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DudeImBetter

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It's not a stretch...at all...to consider a strict McDs diet for a child as neglect. At least IMO.

11-25-2014 , 07:40 PM

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master3004

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Sure would be weird if someone took that position, since I didnt.

I am curious though, what is your stance on discipline and child abuse? How much is up to the parents? When should someone step in?