Yes. If there was anything but the tone of a spoilt child from Fly I would be happy to respond to it.

Wait, I was being dishonest? Where? Yes, those posts are public, shall I link them? Pvn said I was sticking up for genocidal maniacs who basically support carpet bombing, and has not backed off that one bit. Bill Maher and Sam Harris, genocidal maniacs, lol. And I'm being dishonest?

Yeah, watch the interview. There is absolutely nothing supporting pvn's claim here. He just did what many of you guys do all the ****ing time and try to discredit someone's argument by reaching into your bag of insults and calling them a racist, bigot, whatever, or in this case, your second favorite personal attack, claim he supports a racist, bigot... genocidal maniac!? who basically advocated carpet bombing?! Nope, you got a bit too specific on that one bro. That can actually be disproven by simply watching the show.

One thing I forgot to mention. I don't even support Maher or Harris. Maher is kind of a tool with often bad timed jokes. His show is entertaining and they have decent discussions sometimes that can be thought provoking. Harris is interesting, and his ideas are provocative, but I've never quite been down with the "religion is the root of all evil" rhetoric he and his fellow new athiests promote. And his ideas on free will also piss me off. But anyway, at least they can both have a ****ing conversation without screaming and sobbing about ten different things nobody else was even talking about, unlike the face of 2+2 Politics, Ben Affleck.

Never saw anything he did on free will. I'm also on the no-free-will side. I'm on board with just pretending there's free will though.

He's got a book on it (just called Free Will) that's short and very good for someone who hasn't given it much thought (like me). If you've given the subject a decent amount of thought and have decided on no-free-will, then you might not get much out of it except maybe having your opinion slightly reinforced.

If you're going to read Harris on free will may I recommend Daniel Dennett's review posted on Harris site, it states the objections to Harris view pretty well.

Does free will matter? If you have no free will but don't have precognition what difference does it make? You still don't know what the outcome of your actions is until they show up. Or do hippies use this as an excuse to do whatever they want and blame it on whatever has determined their actions instead of taking responsibility for their actions?

Thanks, bookmarked

You maybe using your free will to confuse hippies with yourself.

We know you have free will because you turned off your crazy when asked to.

God has a plan for us all.

Which one?

There is little to no evidence available to suggest you have integrity, however plenty like this post exists to suggest you are a dishonest scumbag. I do believe that some of that responsibility you were preaching about would help you fix this.

You acted like a lunatic for months, calmed down when you were modded, went back to lunatic land after getting demodded, then with some strong moderating from kerowo and threat of a ban have gone back to calming down on how often you spew your lunacy. Kerowo is 100% right.

Cool. Will read. From initial skimming I feel like in his counter arguments when he's saying "he" or "we" as in

he's presuming a self separate from the mechanics, which is essentially begging the question. (Assuming the conclusion)

I don't think he is but I'm going to need to revisit this later. Fwiw Harris made these arguments in the Moral Landscape which is one of those books that was annoyingly plausible till I actually did some work in the topic where it becomes less so.

Y'all's group-think amateur psychology still makes you look like dishonest quacks and always will.

People tend to forget Maher is a professional comedian. He has more license to be stupid and wrong than say a scientist or average person.

It's cute you think anyone is fooled by your attack the messenger strategy. The level of spin you put on things is remarkable but misplaced. I read your posts when you were spamming the forum with nonsense, you won't be able to spin that into anything else. I read the posts when you were modding the forum and I've read your posts after I asked you to stop the crazy. So keep on keeping on but you can't get me to un-read those posts.

It's the pro move if one dislikes feeling guilty.

I know you can repeat your accusations to infinity, and invent new ones endlessly, but that doesn't improve the half-assed and stupid. opinions that they are based upon. Alls you can do is keep trying and hope it eventually works and by some form of a miracle your stupid opinion becomes smart through your efforts at repetition of assertion.

Meanwhile I have every benefit of self-knowledge which is impossible for you to have without my help. Since you threaten and accuse rather than listen and act like an equal. you don't get it.

spank is rubber and you are glue

Yeah, the thing is spank, your posts are ON RECORD. Like remember when you made up that bizarre story that a Phd was reviewing all of your posts? Or asked people to ask you to clarify things with you because of your language capability issues....then flew off the handle whenever anyone asked you to clarify? Or when you wrote mocking, derision, accusations in like 1000 posts even though in half of them it didnt make sense in context? Or when you told us all that things were going IN THE FILES?

Lol. You all have yet to back up your accusations with anything and we know you will bring, self-interested, partial, or dishonest interpretations of anything you do bring.

The moral of the story is don't obviously lie or be wrong over and over again in public and in a group, then expect to have credibility.

Kerowo took your team too far down the rabbit hole with his poor mod choices for you all to ever recover the credible momentum your accusation method requires. Sorry, too late.