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Old 02-16-2017, 11:59 AM   #526
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Another policy would be:

- Letting in a large group of unidentified people from some place else into your country, promising to feed, water and shelter them, while opening up your own population to greater risk of petty and violent crime as well as terriorism.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:59 AM   #527
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An example of a specific policy along the lines I've mentioned would be:

- If you support a trade deal that benefits the farmers of some other nation and hurts your own farmers.
So the Mexicans backing NAFTA were cucks?
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:00 PM   #528
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Any time you make a policy with the express purpose of helping someone other than yourself, when the net benefit is gain for someone else and not gain for you.
I thought I asked you about this. You said the "cuck" isn't losing anything in the experience. So "cuck" is analogous to political actions which have a net benefit to all parties with no resulting loss? Is that what you're trying to describe with the word? Are you really against actions which benefit all parties at no cost?

This is all premier league gobbledegook to me.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:01 PM   #529
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So the Mexicans backing NAFTA were cucks?
I'm not willing to go into specifics beyond this. You can draw your own conclusions, but at least now you are operating with clear and stable definitions and concepts.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:01 PM   #530
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An example of a specific policy along the lines I've mentioned would be:

- If you support a trade deal that benefits the farmers of some other nation and hurts your own farmers.
Okay, but such a policy wouldn't be "cuck" by your definition if there were some other benefit--say lower prices for consumers--that outweighed the damage to one's own farmer's.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:02 PM   #531
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I thought I asked you about this. You said the "cuck" isn't losing anything in the experience. So "cuck" is analogous to political actions which have a net benefit to all parties with no resulting loss? Is that what you're trying to describe with the word? Are you really against actions which benefit all parties at no cost?

This is all premier league gobbledegook to me.
The cuck does lose a lot of things:

- dignity
- masculinity
- pride
- ego
- dominance
- reputation with wife
- reputation with lover
- reputation with anyone else who knows

I mean the cuck is giving up huge amounts, but his kink is that he gets pleasure from this humilation.

So there it is.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:03 PM   #532
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Altruism is cuckoldry?

Does that mean your parents are cucks for letting you live in the basement while you take your 17th consecutive gap year?
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:05 PM   #533
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I'm not willing to go into specifics beyond this. You can draw your own conclusions, but at least now you are operating with clear and stable definitions and concepts.
Well, the conclusion I draw is this... the Zapatistas, who took up arms against NAFTA, are the alpha uber alt-right.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:07 PM   #534
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People are also triggered by the term "n*****", "darky", "jungle bunny", fagg**", "kyke" etc etc. Because these are terms also used by white supremacists, which, while they might have innocent eytmological origins are used exclusively to express hatred for a group of people.

Similarly if you start making jokes about quadraplegics in a veterans centre expect to get your head kicked in.
To be honest though 'cuck' really isn't 'triggering' because like 'beta male', 'red pill', or whatever else the word only has a negative connotation within the norms of whatever insular group uses them. Like "oh you want to raise taxes on yourself to provide universal health care? What a cuck!" Nah man it's the most efficient system to provide for the worst off and everyone else.

Like even at the most denuded of racial overtones but still used in politics level that Lord is using it simply means raising selfishness to the highest ideal, which, yea, we know a lot of internet nerds think they're going to rule the upcoming race/conservative-liberal/anger bear war instead of being the first to be drained of blood for Thiel's youth machine so of course acting selfishly is morally right to them, but, in the real world, they're just endlessly whining about not being seen for the geniuses they think they are.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:10 PM   #535
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The cuck does lose a lot of things:

- dignity
- masculinity
- pride
- ego
- dominance
- reputation with wife
- reputation with lover
- reputation with anyone else who knows

I mean the cuck is giving up huge amounts, but his kink is that he gets pleasure from this humilation.

So there it is.
This just reads like a list of your insecurities. I'd guess for people into this stuff it's all good fun.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:12 PM   #536
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An example of a specific policy along the lines I've mentioned would be:

- If you support a trade deal that benefits the farmers of some other nation and hurts your own farmers.
This trade deal would, then, presumably, benefit SOME aspect of your population. Like you make agriculture concessions for SOMETHING, lower prices for consumers, etc.

Lord that thing where you don't know **** about **** but have nevertheless convinced yourself that you're smart is a ****ing facade. Liberals read books, you watch Youtubes.

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Another policy would be:

- Letting in a large group of unidentified people from some place else into your country, promising to feed, water and shelter them, while opening up your own population to greater risk of petty and violent crime as well as terriorism.

This doesn't describe any policy liberals support, there's not a big "pro-petty and violent crime" caucus, and I don't even know how you'd go about letting in criminals if the people are unidentified.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:13 PM   #537
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I believe in two key things:

- Human beings are fundamentally self-interested
- Social cohesion is really important to curb that nature

I have written at length about this elsewhere. Just some recent posts:

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Human beings need the following to flourish:

- competition
- conflict
- feeling of earned accomplishment that comes from defeating rivals

Social cohesion requires the following conditions to be met:

- shared values
- shared goals
- a common enemy to foster group loyalty
- respect of authority
- social order
- rule of law

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Planning any utopia that takes any of these things out is:

- running roughshod over human nature
- failing to learn the lessons of history
- doomed to fail
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Why does Lord disdain the emotion of the left but give a pass to the emotion of the right?

- The emotion of the left drives people apart
- The emotion of the right binds people together

When a right-wing Zork type gets teary eyed about America's great war veterans, he's buying into an ideology that promotes social cohesion. This is GOOD.

When a left-wing Master type cries salt tears about his president not bringing in refugees from another country, he's buying into an ideology that poses a threat to social cohesion. This is BAD.

Left-wing emotion is almost always bad.

Right-wing emotion can be good (=social cohesion, binding people together), occassionally it can be bad (=curbing civil liberties, causing harm to people, etc.)
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People have to look after their own interests, not some other person's interests.

Left-wing people are idiots for always trying to be concerned for someone else's interests ahead of their own.

But most of the time, they aren't really idiots, just monumental hypocrites.

I am not a hypocrite, I'm openly self-interested. This is one reason why people on the right win more, because they are instrinsically more honest about the facts of life. They are open about being for their own interests.

People on the left are hopelessly compromised by the fact that they are secretly for their own interests but have to spend all their time virtue signalling in the pretence that there are for someone else's interests.

I mock the left for this.
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This just reads like a list of your insecurities. I'd guess for people into this stuff it's all good fun.
Incels are incredibly needy and jealous when they do eventually land a woman and are constantly scared she might leave them for a better option, so yeah, that makes sense why wife-swapping would be such a terrifying fetish for them. If you ran the world's worst lemonade stand having a one-day only deal where some artisanal handcrafted beverage cart got to post up on your corner would end your ****, you'd lose all your customers.
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To be honest though 'cuck' really isn't 'triggering' because like 'beta male', 'red pill', or whatever else the word only has a negative connotation within the norms of whatever insular group uses them...
It's like 'statist' & the ACers back in the day. They imagined they were insulting folks. Instead, they were simply alerting folks that they were a buncha idiots.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:15 PM   #540
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I believe in two key things:

- Human beings are fundamentally self-interested
- Social cohesion is really important to curb that nature

I have written at length about this elsewhere. Just some recent posts:
Thought you considered liberty the most important moral foundation you ****ing idiot.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:15 PM   #541
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Liberals read books, you watch Youtubes.
It's possible to do both, and listen to podcasts, and watch tv and films, and to read internets. All of these things are possible.

Information, knowledge, ideas, these things do not simply reside in books, and it is nothing but snobbery to insist that they do.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:17 PM   #542
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Pretty sure co-operation is equally justifiable as fundamental to humans. Not sure why people always miss that when they're doing their pseudo-philosophical musings on the state of nature.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:19 PM   #543
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Thought you considered liberty the most important moral foundation you ****ing idiot.
I wasn't talking about moral foundations was I; I was talking about political and social organisation.

The means of achieving social cohesion comes by establishing a set of shared values, and the most important such value is liberty.

People need a sense of liberty to operate. They are most effective when they think they are free. This is key.

Authority is also important, but too much authority becomes oppression, and this is counter-productive. Authority works best when it is in league with liberty and also loyalty.

In order to achieve all of these things you need in-groups and out-groups. Human beings cannot function at the level of ALL of humanity. Our instincts are not towards the global but the tribal. So we must work with that, not against that.
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Incels are incredibly needy and jealous when they do eventually land a woman and are constantly scared she might leave them for a better option, so yeah, that makes sense why wife-swapping would be such a terrifying fetish for them. If you ran the world's worst lemonade stand having a one-day only deal where some artisanal handcrafted beverage cart got to post up on your corner would end your ****, you'd lose all your customers.
The plus side is maybe it says something about social progress that these guys have gone from hating interracial and gay relationships to needing to find weird fetish porn to write reams about.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:22 PM   #545
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Pretty sure co-operation is equally justifiable as fundamental to humans. Not sure why people always miss that when they're doing their pseudo-philosophical musings on the state of nature.
90% chimp, 10% bee

The 10% bee part is altruism towards members of an in-group held in check by authority and loyalty.

This is more charitable than the Dawkins thesis of being 100% selfish except in cases of reciprocal altruism.

We can be selfless in certain conditions beyond that, but almost always in situations where we are working towards the ends of some group, not in cases where we are working for "all of mankind".
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Pretty sure co-operation is equally justifiable as fundamental to humans...
The revolutionary formally know as prince was all over that c1902: Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution (full text here).

Besides, social cohesion == cooperation.

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... Not sure why people always miss that when they're doing their pseudo-philosophical musings on the state of nature.
Don't be coy. I'm pretty sure you know exactly why that is.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:29 PM   #547
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Another policy would be:

- Letting in a large group of unidentified people from some place else into your country, promising to feed, water and shelter them, while opening up your own population to greater risk of petty and violent crime as well as terriorism.
Literally no part of this is advocated by maijstream liberals in the US.
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So is that Ashton Kutcher a "______" or what? What does he get helping people out of slavery?
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Jonas Salk must be one of the biggest "______" of them all. Not patenting vaccines? Who does that?
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An example of a specific policy along the lines I've mentioned would be:

- If you support a trade deal that benefits the farmers of some other nation and hurts your own farmers.
Yes, the well known leftist policy of signing trade deals that benefit farmers of other countries but not your own. A quintessential policy of the left, a grounding principal.

This is total spew.
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