The patient is terminal. Let us spend our final time together easing the suffering and coping with our grief.

The Dream of Unchained:

I always wanted PU to be a place to test out some of the concepts people talk about in the anarchy thread. I'm fascinated by the idea of Libertarianism (especially when taken to the extreme like w/ Anarchy) and love it except for the fact that I think it results in really ****ty outcomes due to human nature.

The thing that is missing in PU for this experiment, that I don't know how to add, is that there's no limited resource that can be used to proxy how strongly people feel about an issue. In the AC dream-land there's the idea that people that care to prevent behaviour X will spend resources to police against behaviour X. But in this forum anybody can make ****ty posts and anybody can make posts talking about how ****ty other people's posts are. Those are 'free' and there are no other options. So we end up with a bunch of ****.

So for example, if we were to institute a way of exiling/banning users that was just a straight up-and-down vote, there's no cost to voting to exile someone. So there's no degree of how strongly you want something - if you think someone sucks even a little you just vote against them - even if they don't really bother you. Seems like you'd just end up with an empty forum or a small group of people that think exactly the same.

You could imagine something like every month people get a budget to spend on either trying to get someone banned or to protect themselves (or others) from being banned. But I don't know how it could actually work, and without software supports its impossible to do.

jj is the Benadict Arnold of PU.

This is pretty much what's happened in Politics anyway. Constant dogpiles work about the same way.

Just take the horse to the back of the barn and put it down.

For last few months, this forum was nothing more than a playground for half a dozen posters to run around throwing poo everywhere.

Just when you think a human being could throw no more dung, you realize some of them have infinite mental supply of crap to throw everywhere, everyday, all day long.

Why do you care? You never even tried to share an opinion. You just bitched and moaned. If you dont like pu dont read it.

And just on cue, one of the poo flingers that needs this forum to spew their ignorance shows up.

No need to endorse a forum filled with individuals like yourself on both sides of the spectrum offering their opinions. The world could do without.

This is a type of flinging pooh too. I've been thinking and reflecting on my own poo flinging in recent times.

We have a poo flinging containment thread. It really boils down to only throwing inoffensive poo and being reasonable about peoples' diverse perspectives of 'offensive'.

So if people dont have the same opinion as you they are not worth it you to bother?

So again why do you care?

You're one of the reasons in the last 4 weeks why unchained needs to be chained down and locked away for good.

Nonstop replying and turning the forum into a discussion about you.

That's the alibi you guys just LOVE to use when you're deep in the wrong.

I've had differing opinions with made individuals on this forum, there are differing opinions worth responding to, and some differing opinions that are just downright awful.

"Beyonce glorifies drug and rap culture" is one of those opinions so awfully wrong and bad that it doesn't deserve a forum on this site to voice.

Guess who stood by that quote?

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So your mad that I was Nonstop replying in a discussion I was having? Thats how forums works,

I learned some things and feel like I got something out of it. If you have an opinion then share it instead of bitching and moaning.

We all can and do make the discussion about 'you'. Lol non-stop replying is a creative new way to say shut up. Everyday is a non-stop reply. So how about we make it about me and you instead of fighting about whether it is about me or you?

Water is wet, fire is hot, mud is slimy, and a breeze can carry the scent of out of sight flowers.

Was talking to spank.

I went from defending you against those poo flingers to voting for you in the bad posters invitational.

Time is a finite resource. If people cared enough to prevent bad posts, they would dedicate more time to making good posts that drown out those bad posts.

Tien and Johnny demonstrating the problem of a completely free forum. Neither side wants to back down and there is no motivation for either to stop bickering back and forth.
Multiply this by every poster here and what you get is unchained!

I really like JJs proposal, but it is important to point that out. But on the other hand people err way more in their time allocation then when it comes to allocation of money, so there's that. And it takes a disproportionate effort to drown out bad posts than to make them.

And I don't think it is correct to see PU as an experiment in Anarchy. First, it is a place created right next to a dictatorship with very good amenities. So if you lived rent free in a town full of crack heads but had the opportunity to visit theater, opera, libraries etc. in the next town at no cost whatsoever, well you wouldn't be that concerned with the crack heads living next to you. You might just take the fun of living with them and never consider the cost.

Second, if there was an artificial monopoly in crack head towns and you really liked living in your area, well you would suffer all the **** that comes with a monopoly.

Third, if you really liked some of the crack heads, and you knew that they can't really harm themselves or do you harm, then of course you would let their behaviour slide.

Edit: total grunch and I see this idea has gotten air play already in a better form.

This forum is a perfect microcosm of the modern free market economy.

Taking away the rules provided the opportunity and freedom to develop sophisticated, high-quality discussion for the people that really want it, and also the basest, dumbest poo flinging for the people that want it.

But just like the market economy, there are way more incentives to take the easy, cheap rewards (lols, trolling) over the expensive, effortful rewards (real political discourse).

So the vast majority of posters produced and consumed ****ty, easily manufactured/consumed bitch fights than developing high-quality dialogue.

The market wasn't big enough to support a quality product. On the other hand, I say give the people what they want.

Save Unchained.

lolconomics

The epitome of poo flinging in this post.

Direct insult, no substance at all beyond "this is what I say". No new ideas for discussion. Perfect Unchained post.

Say, Tien, how about all them Jews controlling politicians in the US?

(This is poo flinging too)

i don't even know what list that is

what is it supposed to be proving anyhow?

Deleted it.

Forum is going to get nuked soon anyway, who cares at this point.

I don't enjoy walking with my dogs when they must be leashed. I do not enjoy zoos. I do not enjoy crowded subways, elevators, movie theaters, or night clubs.

I do not enjoy being forced to do anything. Nor do I enjoy laws that restrict my freedom to harm myself. I do not like that people are so easily offended, but I've passed the age (mostly) where causing offense brings me much joy.

There has been talk, by some, of putting more shackles on this place, adding more police, more rules, more, more, more... So that some others can be more free. For the freedom they felt here was better than the alternative.

"Let's be FREE!" they cried. "But not too free. Well I can be free." they said. "But not everyone deserves this privilege. Take the chains off me and wrap them around that guy's head. Hell, banish him for that matter."

The world is what it is. I admire Spankthebadwookie. He's my kind of guy. Maybe someday he'll visit me and we'll take a hike with my dogs someplace where leashes and computers serve no purpose.

This forum will be gently laid to rest, soon. A failure, but a failure in which I take pride. It will not be nuked. It will cease to breathe and then it will sit quietly so people may take some time to view. And then the darkness will come, without warning, but peacefully.

Say what you will about Spank, he's got pretty good taste in music. He knows the old neglected R&B too, which is rare.