At least, the straw man you create for me, anyway.

You might want to either 1) look up "protectionist"; 2) stop creating straw men that make you look more and more of a dishonest douche.

Just because I come out in favor of accountability for corporate tax dodging and unethical (conservative) loopholes doesn't mean I'm wholly "protectionist."

You trolls can have your free trade. Just know that you don't get to call yourself much of a patriot if you're turning your back on U.S. revenue and U.S. jobs while drama queening the "tax structure" here.

Small government, free market cultists often have a similar reaction.

A tiny bit, yes, actually. Further, I certainly don't nickle and dime on deductions.

GFY.

Theyyyy toooook our jerbbbbssss

But you do take the standard deductions and are just too lazy to figure out how to take more.

Traitor.

analogy fail...

you sound defensive. But do please continue to apologize for corporate tax loopholes.

This is certainly an interesting string of posting.

Others should be penalized because you're too lazy to manage your money better? But, you don't have the same access to the same tax breaks. Why shouldn't you have more tax breaks, rather than taxing the other guys more inline with you? How does 0% sound?

Those fleeing businesses can offer you a cheaper product by making the stuff overseas, transporting it, and paying the extra fees in tariffs and other distribution costs instead. Don't you think that's ****ed up?

Taxation is extortion.

Who wouldn't want to fund terrorizing people? The thought is INCONCEIVABLE!



I don't mean to pretend that there's no benefit in it for the companies. However, don't you think the cost will get passed down to the consumer, regardless of if they prefer the hassle of taxation over branching out globally? Honestly, which option would you choose to benefit you and your employees, as well as your customers? (I guess the next "solution" is to raise tariffs. That'll go well for the citizens! )

Fund the thugs -- politicians included -- on your own nickels and dimes. Don't expect everyone else to instantly marvel at your false benevolence through forced "charity" and follow, though. You become a presumptuous mouthpiece for extortion when you assume you know how to spend other people's money better than they do.

Oh f*** right off... Please don't attempt the classic con ploy of comparing one person's individual income tax to the tax that should be applied to major corporations. You guys are such intellectually dishonest asshats. I don't expect anyone to marvel at anything, d***.

As for the "cheaper" products, who gives a crap? You seem to be assuming I'd be interested in their stupid product in the first place. In any event, I'd be willing to pay 10% more to know that it helped American business, so more Americans could actually afford the higher price.

The difference here seems to be your holy devotion to every penny of the Almighty dollar, and my indifference toward it. I make enough. I don't consider myself "lazy" because I choose not to game the system for an extra $5 here and there. I make up for it elsewhere, certainly in the time and money it requires to attempt the ridiculous endeavor of gaming the tax man.

Clown.

What is Obama going to do to lower the high cost of homes. The guy does everything to keep interest rates low so the big guy can get a below market loans and lever up, ripping off the poor people with bank accounts. Did he fire Yellen and Bernanke? No he hired the bastards. Go bankrupt, who cares as Obama has to help those that go bankrupt allowing to rebuy a home within a year, A selfish greedy man. Below market student loans a tax deduction? Why? So the public schools can build $60 million gyms no one really uses. If the guy ran a boy scout troop it too would go broke in a mountain of debt.

Biden and Obama brag about owning no stocks or bonds, yet they want to tax stocks and bonds. The want to tax trading. In fact they make up that high frequency trading cost consumers, so they can tax them more. Basically why own anything when you can just tax those that do and live like a king which they do. Flying around to Los Angeles and Hawaii for no reason at all.

We need to end the income tax and sales tax and go back to a silver standard, our roots, forcing people to work. A country without a national debt.

It is not a corporate tax loophole. The income earned within the United States is still taxed. Corporate income tax should just be eliminated to allow companies that help people remain tax-free like non-profits. The United States’ worldwide system of corporate taxation requires multinational corporations to pay taxes twice, first to the foreign country in which they do business and then to the IRS after they repatriate their profits. Remember to fire the 58 communists that don't want corporations to move overseas. And remember to confiscate their pensions they don't need it we need trains.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/how...n-income-taxes

stopped reading after the first two sentences suggested Obama can control home prices and interest rates.

After the crash home prices were low, he did everything to raise them from allowing people to refinance home loans, there was even a 1st time homebuyer credit in 2008, 2009, and 2010, and he supported inflation of the federal reserve balance sheets which is just a bailout to homeowners. He supported the federal reserve buying mortgages, he supported and allowed mortgage reits to use federal reserve rates to buy mortgages,

Interest rates are simple, Bernanke and Yellen are puppets to the government. Have you ever heard of the zero rate policy. It was done to fight deflation in homes, to allow the home buyers accept the losses they made in buying a bubble market. It would be like the government bailing out your bad bets at the race track.

Furthermore how about giving someone a visa if they buy a home. This is typical of the liberal move to pump up the housing market. Then you got these agencies selling large blocks of foreclosures in block sales and some even wanted to raze foreclosed homes to increase prices.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...41421449460968

Permitting, fees to support low income housing, and government mandated 6% fee to sell, land costs, often account to more than 50% the cost of a building. Than doe not include property taxes and bogus utility fees and rates that are just another way to seek rent and line government officials pockets. Electricity costs about 50-75% less in red states.

http://www.spur.org/publications/art...ilding-housing

http://www.electricchoice.com/electr...s-by-state.php

Some people don't have the luxury of paying that little bit extra, thus lower prices matter more to them.

Pardon me for asking you to look from different perspectives!

Also, I hardly regard the dollar as "money."

Inflation itself is a tax on everyone that uses said currency, rather than a tax being confined to illusory borders. If you don't steal your funds through taxation, you inflate it via massive money printing and loans out of thin air via the Federal Reserve. (What are these programs you're going to fund, taking these people's money, btw?)

I find it very misguided that you believe someone trying to keep some of their own money is considered "gaming the tax man," as if "the tax man" is the first entitled to your "money".

What exactly do you consider money if not the dollar?

Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin act more as money than the dollar, in that they can't be manipulated by the whims of the few via inflation.

That's the same reason for gold and silver -- men? -- bugs; those metals can't be "created" as easily as the fiat which you currently consider the "Almighty dollar," to use Jiggs' words.

So when you talk about the tax man stealing people's money, you are referring to gold, silver, or cryptocurrency? Cause I've been working for 14 years and the tax man has never stolen any of that from me. In fact, the stuff they have taken has always been dollars. Since you don't consider that real money, your point doesn't make much sense.

Whatever currency you use is a form of your property. You asked me what I considered money to be.

Forgive me for trying to talk your language. Perhaps I should have been more precise, by being more vague?

It doesn't matter what "the taxmen" take, they infringe on your property rights regardless in their act of taking.

Odd. It's my property and yet I don't feel they are infringing on my rights. Who are you to say who is infringing on MY rights?

If you want to graciously "give" -- is it really giving when "No." isn't a realistic option? -- to people that harm in your name, I can't stop you.

However, what makes you think other people should comply and consent along with you?

I'm more than happy to let those who don't want to pay their own taxes build their own roads and infrastructure, run their own schools, and defend their own asses. And to make sure they don't do it anywhere on the public land my taxes support deal?

So, "public property" has come to mean "property of tax payers"?

**** them po' folks, right?

They don't pay their taxes to help make it rain. (Because, you know, Government controls everything!)

Poor people both a) follow tax laws and b) pay taxes.

Lol at Proph wanting to pay zero in taxes yet have rights to public goods. GJGE

Poor people follow the tax structure as it is currently laid out. If you want to use public land, so should you.

I see you don't agree to my terms. Probably has something to do with being a hypocrite

So, "if you don't want to pay taxes, be poor," is what you're telling me?

Public land, again, is only open to those who agree and comply with the tax structure?

No, you're welcome to try to put words in my mouth, but it only accomplishes showing everyone how dishonest you are.

People who are poor do not have the means to pay taxes, they are able to use the public land as is based on the current tax code. Those of us who make enough money to contribute and would like to make use of public land, including roads, infrastructure, schooling , and defense contribute the amount required based on the current tax code. There is no theft here, we are contributing to the public pot in order to use public goods and services, plain and simple. If you have the money to contribute and would like not to, you are welcome to go to an area that does not tax for public goods and services.

In this country, using the public goods and services while not contributing to them is the only theft occuring. So if you want to promote not paying taxes, all you have to do is admit that you support stealing from the public.

As adamant as you have been against the government doing so, I'd find you hard pressed to be able to say that, lest you want to further admit your hypocrisy

You're conflating society and government, however, that's the least of your distortions.

You honestly believe government has rights to your property before you? Society wouldn't be possible without government, a monopoly on force?

Why am I even asking these questions? It's obvious what your authoritarian answer is going to be. (Some form of "'Cause I/he/she/they sed so!")