I really didn't know black people walking in the middle of a street was actually a thing. Like, I'm really wracking my brain thinking about the neighborhood we used to live in, and I'm not remembering seeing black people in the middle of the street?

It's not a thing. I've lived in 90%+ black neighborhoods and never encountered anything like that.

Perhaps it's not a "thing" where you guys live, but it is and has been for a long time in St. Louis. It's a thing where it's a thing, not universal to all black people I'm sure. I doubt it's a thing in the UK for example. Fyi, I'll bet it is a thing in Ferguson, and I think it is understandable thing considering the community's relationship with the police.

Sidewalk deserts are real.

You have absolutely no knowledge of how much of that blog I read. The assumption you made is dumb enough to have been made by a racist.


When someone offers article B in response to article A, it in no way implies that article B is superior in a particular way to article A.

Oh, well, as long as you bet it's a thing.

I must be. Please, educate me as to what branch of logic you used to make that inference so that I too can make the seemingly miraculous deductions which you are capable of.

I'd bet you all the money I have and give you odds. If you hypothetically were to concede it's a thing there, then we could move on to discuss how the cop responded to it. That could inform interesting discussion. To ward off your too obvious next troll, of course it in no way justifies him murdering the kid.

The hard-hitting, fact-driven logic bombs that SMP dishes out are so far beyond anything politics can comprehend!

Btw "circus music" is Norteño music, anyone who's studied Mexico or Hispanics in America or Mexican culture knows this.

I misunderstood the bolded part of BruceZ's quote above, and apologize for my insinuations downthread.

I'm still pretty sure I got the gist of what MrWookie was suggesting. And the good news is he's likely to explain it so we'll know one way or another.

If "being on the wrong side" were a sufficient condition to be called racist, then there would be no people on the other side who weren't called racist. Even if it's not a fully sufficient condition, if "being on the other side" were likely to get you called racist, you'd see a whole lot more people called racist. Instead, you see a small subset of the posters "on the other side" called racist: those who back up their positions with racist rhetoric.

No, what's funny about Bruce's analogy is that he's accusing liberals of being like the KKK and that calling someone racist is like lynching them

Why don't you just humor us and try to explain it???

of course, we're still waiting for this other explaination we haven't gotten yet.

Hey, Bruce. Please be direct and explain why you believe the following to be true.

[quote name="BruceZ" post=44394419]It's part of a larger pattern endemic to their culture. It's stems from a strong undercurrent intent on giving the big finger to established societal structure.

A lot of problems started in my neighborhood when a bunch of Mexicans moved in. Mostly this has to do with noise. Mexicans appear to be culturally predisposed to making a lot more of it than whites. Whites don't typically have parties in their cars where they drink beer and blast circus music. Whites don't have very large numbers of people and several generations living in a single house, with lots of other friends staying over temporarily. Whites don't typically work on their cars, do construction, and move heavy furniture around constantly. The Mexicans are a very industrious people who are always working to make their lives better. That makes a lot of noise. So if I hear some noise and look out the window to see some Mexicans congregating, I will get upset and do something about it much quicker than if I see some white guys. The white guys aren't part of the pattern of trouble. It doesn't make sense to immediately get upset at them because they aren't likely to ever make that noise again. They may just be passing through. It doesn't matter if I've never seen those particular Mexicans before. They are still part of a wider problem. They are generally associated with other Mexicans that have made noise in the past. If I complain to them, maybe that general population of Mexicans will start to get the idea that this won't be tolerated. When Pablo starts to make noise, maybe Chico will let him know to be careful because the crazy white guy doesn't like it.
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Just for fun, feel free to explain why, exactly, you opted for this analogy:

[quote name="BruceZ" post=44394419]
If I have a cockroach problem, I will get upset as soon as I see any cockroach. It doesn't matter if I haven't seen that particular roach before. If a big fly comes through, that's just as unsanitary, but I won't get worked up about that because I don't have a fly problem.[/quote]

Lastly, because you CLEARLY have a nuanced understanding of cultural elements pertaining to Mexicans, are we correct to assume you believe ONLY Mexicans are noisy and industrious, and who warrant treatment you equate to dealing with f***ing cockroaches? Or would you say other brown people have similar tendencies? I ask because you specifically IDed Mexicans.

I'm sure when you look disapprovingly out your window at all those loud roaches making a scene you're careful to differentiate Mexicans from the other very different South/Central American nationalities.

Cliffs: Bruce is overtly and disturbingly racist, deserving all the scorn he has received as well as a permaban.

I won't pretend to be as smart as the general population in SMP, but I respect the process of logical discourse not constantly derailed by ad hominum attacks and trolls. Not so much because insults hurt, though they often do, but because those distractions take away from the interesting discussion and are a waste of time and good will. If I'm arguing a given, and the opponent disagrees on it and I cannot provide sufficient evidence, then we simply won't argue that line.

whether I disagree or not is really irrelevant. I'm interested in seeing statistics, and since you think this is a FACT (you SMP guys are always bragging about how you only deal in FACTS and LOGIC and EVIDENCE) I am assuming you must have some actual, you know, facts? But you believe this anyway, with no proof? So what is your belief based on, exactly???

"Yeah, you trolls, come on, trying to derail my innuendo-laced post with your calls for evidence after I bragged about being a man of logic and facts, what a bunch of JERKS."

lol at you. seriously, what a clown.

"I want FACTS and EVIDENCE. Except when I make MY points, then it's just interesting because hey EVERYONE JUST KNOWS that black kids can't stay out of the middle of the street, that's just COMMON SENSE we don't need none of them egghead statistics!"

Again, Pvn dishonestly misrepresenting my entire thought. Mat, do you see what we're getting at here?

The fact is Bruce's posts have content which is objectionable. We can observe the volume of people objecting for one thing. More importantly some of the objectors have used solid reasoning and illustrated the observable connection to known trends of prejudicial thinking when making their objections.

Even disregarding BruceZ, another poster from SMP, masque de Z, came over. He's apparently pretty highly regarded over there. He dropped a massive word bomb over in Alta Politardia's thread, but that word bomb was nothing but logical fallacies and JAQing off. I engaged him civilly, but he completely disregarded my response. Much discourse. Very logic. So intellect.

Here's a thread where it appears the OP was falsely accused of racism. But who the hell would want to read the whole thing to find out wtf actually was going on in this pile of AIDS?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...s-itt-1437510/

as long as you're here, can you address post 190 in this thread?