What is it with you people and punctuation? Man for an uberclass of intellectuals beyond the ken of a common politard, it's somewhat notable that Bruce is pretty much the only SMPer whose writing even gets close to grading at "basic English competence."

But, uh, is someone trying to take away his opinion? Aren't we entitled to OUR opinions that he's racist?

**** off with this weak bull****.

PSA for racists: stop trying to be clever like this dip****. If you were actually clever, you wouldn't be racist.

You're an illiterate moron, I guess.

I have no idea why you decided to weigh in there and then, but you should've guessed that the tenor of the thread wouldn't be "BruceZ was completely redeemed as a smartypants nice guy, and the liberals all had to admit racism is a myth".

Maybe this is important and I misunderstood something because I haven't read anything about how he says he acted. All I read was him making an argument using an example, that might or might not have actually happened. Just using a style of argument, where you use "I" doesn't mean "I did those things".

And even if it did actually happen. He just said, he gets upset faster and does something about the noise. Edit: and then he explained why, and I think his argument is wrong.


So could you please show me what part of him acting about his neighbours I missed? Otherwise it was you just jumping to conclusions.

Part of the SMP stuff was telling us all how well documented the noise problems with his neighbors is/was. Those weren't arguments or hypothetical. They were true stories from the life of Bruce.

Yes, I get that. He can take something that happens in his real life (noise) and make a hypothetical argument about it though.

So how did he act about it?

swissmiss- Are you asking if rjoe was like, actually there? Why on Earth are you so emotionally invested in defending some racism ******* you've never met?

On topic of ethnic groups moving in to a neighborhood and "disturbing" it.

I understand brucez when he makes a statement about mexicans ruining his neighborhood but the reasons are not because of their skin color or genetic coding.

I live in a city with very diverse ethnic groups. Asians, blacks, and indians all have neighborhoods where they concentrate.

Amongst those highly concentrated neighborhood, one thing is common between all 3. Depressed real eatate values, poor, and quite dirty.

You know what other neighborhood is like that in this city? Poor uneducated white. Depressed values, dirty and poor. With lots of crime.

That is due to the fact that they are uneducated and unemployed.

Same with certain immigrant neighborhoods where the poor and uneducated of that ethnicity congregated.


BruceZ didnt want to think above skin color and ethnicity to determine why he didnt like a certain ethnic group, he just wanted to group together characteristics he didnt like and say that ethnic group is prone to xyz characteristic.

No bruce, look above skin color and realize uneducated and poor results in the SAME characteristics regardless of skin color.

Yeah guys, Swissmiss clearly hasn't been shown where Bruce was talking about he acted... Maybe it was all hypothetical!! Maybe Bruce doesn't even own a house! Do any of us even exist?

I live in highrise downtown, and if the poor uneducated whites blacks, mexicans, asians became my neighbors and blasted loud music in the hallways I'd move out too and say my 'neighborhood' is ruined. If that makes me elitist, so be it.

My neighbours are educated from all different ethnicities and they quite good neighbours that I get along with.

You are allowed to be intolerant, I'm very intolerant to loud bad music being blasted in the streets, but looking at skin color as the reason why you are intolerant is being ignorant.

Writing from phone so this is going to probably come out wrong.

The racists and their apologists know that if they keep up with these nebulous arguments, at some point we will tire of the charades. Then they try to declare some kind of "victory."

Congrats I guess, I'm bored and tired. Go burn some crosses to celebrate.

No.

It is nice of you to ask that, because it means you do not automatically think I am invested because I am racist any more.

I tried to talk about this before.
Preface) My motivations shouldn't actually be all that important. I have talked more about myself than anybody else in this thread and I'd actually want to minimize that in the future.

a) The way some people are accusing him is wrong. They accuse him for things he never actually said or they just jump to conclusions where they shouldn't. This is not logical and I hate all things not logical.

b) I am open to the possibility that he is actually a racist. So lets say he was. And let me play the Jewish card again, just to illustrate that I have a very vested interest in keeping racists in check. I just think the way it is done in this thread is wrong. I don't think racists are irredeemable. But the only way to fight racists is to actually allow racists to participate in the discussion. It is clear that you think your tactic is better and it would actually be interesting to discuss that when I have read all of Phone Booth links, because I could be wrong.

c) I can't stand witch hunts. They always make me want to take the witches side. And I slowly but surely think "we" are back to doing these hunts on a larger level. And this is very dangerous. So therefore my insistence on a calm discussion. So many people here laugh at BruceZ for making personal attacks, when their own posts are nothing but aforementioned. Granted, he should hold himself to his own standards and he didn't. But we all fail. It is the fallen ones you should open your hart to the most.

Sorry my points were somewhat muddled and b) and c) are actually the same, as you said it is an emotional issue in the end.

Except it has been shown that you don't think he is saying what he actually said.

Bruce's participation in the discussion has been to threaten people and dismiss his detractors as stupid and double down on his statements being correct.

This would be more correct if you had better radar about who was a witch.

What did he do? You know, like actually do as in "act"? And what did he do, when his white neighbours were noisy?


And, granted, that could be a English deficiency on my part, but he said:

"So if I hear some noise" and not "So whenever I hear some noise". Which makes me think it was just a hypothetical. And it makes more sense, because he often uses his life to make a hypothetical.

Don't you have to take his hypothetical at face value though? Particularly since the emotional language he is using makes it pretty clear he wants us to take it that way. This is an internet forum there is rarely any indication of a posters actions other than what they describe. So if someone says "if group x does something I get pissed off but if group y does it I don't" we are obligated to take that to mean there is something about group x that pisses the poster off. Being pissed off at someone because they are a member of a group is a pretty good definition of racism.

Where? It has been shown to me that others think, that what he said has to be interpreted as racist.



As I said, he failed. You did not address my point at all.



"In modern terminology 'witch-hunt' has acquired usage referring to the act of seeking and persecuting any perceived enemy"(Wikipedia). BruceZ is the perceived enemy, therefore he is the witch.

Pro-tip: save your indignation about witch hunts for basically any time other than when we found the most obvious, blantant, unrepentant witch in forum history.

Ah, witch hunters support and defend witch hunting. Not surprised at all.

What's astonishing to me is that the mouth-breathing Bill O'Reily --who is one of those obnoxious, dumbed-down American commentators that swiss hates-- manages to arrive at the exact same conclusions that the hyper-logical Bruce reaches! What are the odds of that?

Hm, I don't see that at all. He used "if" after all. But I can see, why one might think, that he is just trying to be clever.


Yep, therefore everybody who thinks he knows how he acted is jumping to conclusions, that was my point.






He did not say that. He just said he will be pissed off faster. That is again my point. People keep misquoting him.


Ah ok, so me being pissed off at you just because you are a racist is racism. Or me being pissed off at you just because you are a hunter is racism.
Edit: Because I know, what you actually wanted to say and therefore my retort was just snappy. That is at least just one definition of racism.

And again, he never said, he wouldn't be pissed off by white noisy neighbours.

That might be more efficient but not principled. In the end even the most obvious, blantant, unrepentant witch in forum history (not saying it is BruceZ) is just a fallen child.

I do not hate O'Reily, I just hate how he makes his money. I actually think he is very intelligent. But yes, he is hateful on TV just to make a stupid point and so sometimes is BruceZ.

and? he has all the opportunity in the world to repent. we're not executing the guy, ****, he isn't even ****ing banned.

I can buy the argument that OReily is just putting on an act for ratings and is effectively just a character. BruceZ isn't on TV, he's (presumably) not getting paid. He's just spewing. He might be a character, but if that is the case it's irrelevant since we don't know anything about his "real" identity.

How is BruceZ hateful?

Why are people responding to this poster?

Either the 100% score on the SAT in English is a lie or the above statement is not sincere.