As a general rule, I feel like if you can't be funny without relying on stereotypes, then you're just not that funny.

Is this seriously a thread dedicated to the delicate sensibilities of a bigoted piece of s*** taking offense to not being accurately labeled a bigot and instead being called a racist? Like, he'd wear a bigot label with pride so long as it's not a racist one?

Newsflash: Someone equating Mexicans to cockroaches probably doesn't have super positive feelings about Nicaraguans, and likely doesn't care to differentiate one brown person from another. This a**hole almost surely refers to any brown person as a Mexican cockroach.

Richard Pryor was a funny man.

You are a false accuser Dids, no wonder you can't find anything. So go ahead and dig up some explanations for your behavior towards me. Start with implying that I did nothing in response to racism in the forum.

You stand by and support Myself, jman, and microbet being falsely accused, implying we are all dickheads and stand with people who claim that racists accusations are not serious.

You have done enough pointing at other people, I'm pointing at you this time and it will be obvious if you again try to dodge by accusing me of something.

I wouldn't put it quite that strong, but yes -- this thread is making me very uncomfortable.

Let's not get specific about the actual racist content here. But please, anybody that's specifically been hurt by being called a racist after making actual racist remarks, tell us how it made you feel...

I'm sure maxvalue is as funny as Richard Pryor.
NSFW language, obviously.

Jesus, spank, stop.

Don't I wish, he and Gene Wilder were hilarious back in the day.

Perhaps my post is being misconstrued a bit. I should mention that I have zero knowledge of what previous post(s) or poster(s) this thread is in relation to, so I'm not defending whatever their actions were.

I'm just saying that I personally, tell a lot of VERY crude humor that involves race, religion, etc. and there are some people that "get it" and realize I'm not a hateful racist, and unfortunately there are others that don't.

I bust on my own religion & ethnicity, as well as that of others. I grew up with friends from a variety of cultures and colors, and that's just how I got used to interacting. They had a sense of humor and thick skin and would give as good as they got.

And then there are others who are overly sensitive and want to toss around the term "racist" onto things that don't involve hate or feelings of superiority over another culture.

Just to recap, my "false accusation" towards Spank was my opinion that the forum was not being modded correctly wrt racism because Silver_Man was not banned, because in my opinion anything short of banning him was incorrect.

Spank thinks that our difference of opinion about the proper course of action is somehow me lying and accusing him of things he didn't do. (or maybe didn't not do I guess).

Spank has since consistently tried to claim that (as far as I can tell because the word "race" show up in both) accusations of racism are just as bad as being racist.

nsfw

Stereotypes are funny if handled right. Most get it wrong though.

You are terribul accusation troller. You should feel bad.

fyp

Well, thanks to heroic efforts, tremendous suffering endured, and great loss of life, we've finally learned that lynchings, cross burnings, and the use of racial slurs is not socially acceptable. Those things are racist, and ~everyone now rejects them. But that hasn't eliminated sentiments that racial minorities are inferior or that they shouldn't be treated as second class citizens, or that people prejudge others based on race.

Everyone has irrational impulses and even makes irrational judgments. You said you do, I do, etc. Some people make an effort to recognize them and reject them.

Others would just rather accept the validity of their thought and fight the label. Part of this has always seemed to be based on the misconception that if someone says something racist, then they are "a racist," and racists are racist through and through, up to and including the use of racial slurs and lynchings. They haven't used a slur, and they haven't lynched anybody, and they don't actively hate all minorities when they see those minorities, ergo they can't be a racist. People think they can't be racist because they don't conform to some racist caricature that they've concocted, and that if they're called racist, that's the same as calling them the caricature.

And that's all the while while they're defending positions like "black people are easily agitated by rabble rousers but white people see through the ruse for the truth." But people who want to say racist things have been caught, so they switch their language to things like "Those people are easily agitated by rabble rousers, but we see through the ruse for the truth." Now they think they have plausible deniability. They didn't mention race, how could they be racist?

We see it time and time again. People don't want to be called racist, because they know that's unacceptable in polite society. But people do want to have their beliefs supported and validated by others, so we have this ongoing game where racists try to find right where the line is so that they say what they think without getting called racist. They make no effort to examine those beliefs for racism.

I watched a bit he did on a Chinese man with a stutter in china town and didn't find it funny, though the crowd at the time found it hilarious. I think he's also a comedian of his time.

Generally, I do think humor based on stereotypes can be done well when it is used to highlight the ridiculousness of those stereotypes. If you're part of a majority making using stereotypes to tell jokes about a minority group, then you just look like a huge ******* relying on other people's prejudices to get a laugh. IMO.

Man, spank can't go a week without playing the aggrieved mod in need of attention card

In b4 he cries about other people not letting go of the topic he still won't stop bringing up.

fwiw - I think much is accomplished in these discussions. While we all see the obnoxious bigot who doesn't change, there are people who learn and re-evaluate themselves based on talk.

I've seen it on these forums in different areas - a lot of people in the religion forum have had profound changes in how they view the world through discussions.

On top of that, while there seems to be a real resurgence of racism in this country since our last new president, I think there has been a lot of profound changes in our culture.

personal story - I grew up hearing and using the word f*g as an insult. Friends would insult each other by calling them gay and such. I literally never thought about what it meant. It was just what people did. I think this is where much racism comes from. We grow up as kids making prejudicial remarks without any consideration about it.

In college my freshman year, my roommate (and new friend) was gay (it was hidden at the time). I was confronted with this by a mutual friend and asked if it would be a problem. I couldn't think of any reason why it would. From that point on I became aware of bigoted things I was saying, of how I grew up with this unchecked and unquestioned bigotry. It was the first time I realized how hateful people were to gays and how this was just 'normal'. It took being confronted as a young adult with a real person close to me to even think about what it meant to be gay and to examine my beliefs about the subject.

My point in sharing this is really just to point out that (1) if I can change there's no reason others can't (2) a lot of people hold deeply bigotted (sexist, racist, etc.) views but don't think of themselves that way because the views they hold have been normal in their communities throughout their whole lives. When confronted, asking them to accept that their views are racist is like a religious person being told their faith is completely wrong.

All this to say that you're not silly to believe these discussions can lead to anything. Sure, probably most won't change their minds. But there certainly are people who will come around.

Barring personal experience, watch Kevin Smith's Chasing Amy

I think South Park already addressed this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/254819...ely-good-sense

Yeah, from the point of view of straight, simplistic adolescents.

Didn't some other recently banned racist try to use the "South Park said it was okay" defense?

Welcome back Silverman?

Have the mods check location/IP's I guess, I am not Silverman, or Slenderman for that matter.

He's not Silverman, but he is repeatedly banned.

Really? I've seen posters called racist on 2+2 for being on the non liberal side of issues like welfare, govt spending, education, gun control, health care or criticism of the Obama administration. Heck I remember a poster pointing out Asians' academic achievments and was immediately met with"Calling Asians smart is code for saying blacks are stupid." Nice.

Very recently ikestoys called me an antisemite in response to a post in which I questioned the legitmacy of the term "human shield" (given the high proportion of civilian casualties). This is a pretty good example of someone being unfairly accused and more so because the moderator's didn't deign to respond to my reporting it, a testament to the systemic nature of this problem. Wookie just let's the accusations Fly and if he doesn't like the targeted poster then it's all good.

Now that BruceZ's hackles are raised we can seriously talk about this, because he made an actual racist post. lol irony pretty thick here.

I have an idea. Why don't we have some simple guidelines and the mods enforce them equally? Mind blowing idea, right?

Calling asians smart is stereotyping. I'm thinking you endured a reading comprehension fail.

Dids is above the law, he told me so when I trolled banning him. And he has several surrogates who chime in frequently, but are not serious about discussion.

Who is actually accountable for their behavior around here?

lol. Complete myopia when it comes to the scores of posters who have non-liberal positions on those things who've never been called racist.