Over reliance on welfare programs are the symptom and not the cause. Why in the world would republicans believe such a counter-intuitive notion?

Maybe they don't really believe it. I think repubs often justify their positions with that which sounds vaguely logical without sounding pure evil. Most people know just from normal experience that there are plenty of people out there who just don't care about other peoples bad luck or who even enjoy the idea of poor people starving.

Just go onto youtube where people can say things anonymously (from most others if not the government). You can see there the real opinions that people have. It's a good bet that the people with the vilest opinions are republicans.

Add mind reading to the long list of things you think you can do but actually can't.

Did you read the rest of my post? Do you want a cite?

It's tough to even specify what is over reliance. A lot of jobs have gone overseas. What is the appropriate level of welfare reliance? It can only be measured against opportunity.

Elaborate on this idea please. There seems to be plenty of opportunity.

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lolwat?

3.9 million open jobs for 11.8 million unemployed people.

Plenty of opportunity!

We should consider the amount of people looking for work who can't find it when deciding if too many people are on welfare. The underlying idea is that if there are fewer jobs than people looking for work then those who don't find work should not be penalized with starvation.

Well there is constant demand for jobs in various industries/fields but often they require training/education. The federal govt spends about $18 billion a year IIRC in job training programs. People do have the option of working for themselves.

We've already touched on the idea of Creative Destruction in this thread. I'm for giving people a helping hand for sure but where to draw the line is problematic. I guess I just don't have any sympathy for some lazy ass who takes an easy path by doing a lot of partying in school and getting mediocre grades in some pretty much useless discipline to prospective employers like political science and then complaining about how they can't find a job.

Well, not everyone can be President of the US from 2000-2008.

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An undergrad degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard is some kind of lazy I guess. Where did you get your MBA from?

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If someone cannot recognize Ezra Klein as very intelligent, well...

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Who stated he wasn't intelligent? So we are playing lets make up **** somebody posted today. Can I play too? If someone can't recognize that there are capable people that are at the same time unmotivated well ...

I probably got threads crossed. Someone called hin a "C" student in polisci in some thread. Dude is closer to a brainac freak. Can't even think of a comparable conservative writer.

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You really want to defend his record? lolz.

You realize he championed his own poor record(C average) and study habits, right? (not to mention his military record)

How much did he 'earn' his way into those colleges? If his dad wasn't who he was, where do you think he'd have gotten his degrees from?

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A massive goal post shift. LOL stating that an MBA is as marketable to employers as a poli sci degree.

I don't get your point at all. Mine is pretty clear. I just don't have sympathy for people that are capable and unmotivated then complain about their employment situation. Are you stating people like that don't exist? Are you stating that everyone is motivated to acquire skills to increase their wages and the man is just beating them down?

Really I have no problem with unmotivated but otherwise capable people. I do have a problem when these people bitch about their lot in life though. Are there people that get screwed by employers? Of course there are and yes often they are justified to complain about it. Are there people born rich? Yep, so what?

Bush was a legacy admit at all of the prestigious places he went to school where he subsequently "earned" a gentleman's C, which basically means if it were you or I at not-Ivey we would have failed out with his level of work. Despite this he was catapulted to the position of leader of the free world.

I don't think you could choose a worse example to defend than WBushe's if you want to argue that employment and compensation are wholly correlated with academic achievement.

I didn't defend Bush I stated facts about him. So lets say GWB is one lucky dude. What in the world does that have to with an unmotivated person bitching about not getting compensated for being unmotivated and me having no sympathy for them?

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Bush had better grades than Kerry at Yale:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4684384

White male privilege, ftw!

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This poll just proves what everyone already knew: roughly a third of Americans are callous ignorant *******s.

A very legitimate take on this poll tbh.

For those who don't like it: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_776.html

Racist white man. Not surprised you said this.