Sput, awhile back you were going to explain the root of your concerns with feminism; like when you started hating it, why, etc, but you said it would take too long and that you'd get to it later. AFAICT that never happened.

Would you mind doing so now? Where does it all come from man?

Also, Fly had an awesome retort for the Econ 101 "But undercutting!" BS about gender/race income inequality that Duker responded to with a Good Will Hunting meme. Anyone recall? Should be copy/pasted in here.

Forgot all about that one...

1. I have some average salaries for you here.

Notice that when you controll for same job the differences shrink so much that you cant gain anything politically or financially with them.

http://www.scb.se/en_/Finding-statis...34/2012/28336/

2. In a perfect world you would controll for all the variables that are relevant. That is obviously almost impossible but to pretend that say 4 variables is enough and then think the rest must be discrimination is insane.

That is also the reason why so few get charged with discrimination. Because when it becomes a legal matter they can look at many more variables that goes into a persons salary and come to the conclusion that it wasnt discrimination.

Dont think that im saying that there is no discrimination because it obviously exists. A swedish survey looked at about 1 million jobs and came to the conclusion that about 0.7% was discriminated because of their gender. 10% of those where men(impossible). Yes patriarchy hurts men aswell...

Can't argue with a bunch of numbers on a chart that give no context for what they relate to. They're numbers!

Lol sputty, always and forever.

But still, he seems convinced that Sweden is the world. Completely nonplussed at the fact that it has one of the lowest inequality indexes in the world. Nope, these facts cannot penetrate his brain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gend..._ten_countries

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2172rank.html

Sounds like feminism made Sweden a pretty kickass country.

Sounds like a terrible idea. Once again, too broad.

Good luck with that part

I'm confused. How is that too broad? If anything it's too specific.

Yeah the translation didnt include the different jobs that are measured. But if you are a little curious you can see that the average earning between men and women for most of those jobs are very close.

Ive told you this before that we have the exact same rhetoric from feminists here that you see everywhere. They look at the average over all jobs and come to the conclusion that women are discriminated. Its the same in Sweden as it is in the US. It hovers between 15-25%. The critical part here is that it doesnt say anything other than that some jobs pay more than others and that more men choose the higher paying jobs.

If you say its due to conditioning and societal norms that the genders choose differently thats fine but its a whole different discussion and has very little to do with discrimination.

Link?

If they don't distinguish between company its pointless, you can't compare what Company A pays men to what Company B pays women.


6-7k in the tech industry? Whats that like 4%? OMG

If you want to find evidence of discrimination you have to look at companies individually. Plain and simple. Company A has no say in what Company B does, so why combine those stats?

I'll have to find the link from the last time I posted it and it was ignored by the MRAs among us.

And yes, it's company A versus company A.

Which I'm sure you'll say is too specific.


Hey, if you don't care about 7 grand, feel free to ship it to my stars account and I'll give it to a woman for you.

Also, it's more like 7-10%, on average. Some companies were nearly tied, some were as much as 10-15k, most were around 6-7k.

You know there's statistical concepts at play here, right?

There are ways of doing these studies with samples that are completely valid.

Also, I think I see what arguments luck is eventually going to make.

Once you get down to two people of different genders in the same job with all the other same circumstances, you're talking about a very small number of people.

Which, of course, if you're looking for generalizable results, you want bigger sample sizes, not smaller.

So it's a simple game: complain that studies are too broad until you find a very narrow study, then complain that it's too narrow.

How might this be explained by the resident MRAs?

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1

Lab Manager position opens at Yale, professors are given identical applications with male and female names. Guess which candidates were deemed more desirable?



Guess which ones were offered more money?

Sputz, when are you going to explain where your ire for all things feminism started? What's your story?

Think my favorite forum experience came from SM2 detailing his roots. Expect Sputty's story to eclipse it if he decides to be honest and divulge, especially given his statement months ago that he wouldn't because it would take too long. Has to be juicy.

Sorry to dissapoint but there is no juicy story. I just really disagree with 3rd wave feminism and the identity politics it is trying to push.

If you want more you will have to wait untill probably end of february early march when im supposed to be done with the scientific paper im working on. If im happy with the work ill probably translate it into english.

What's the topic?

Only took three posts to get to how many friends of x demographic Rasta has.

New record?

DiB, that study has been posted like 5 times now. I believe the rebuttals have been:

1. Done by a women. Clearly biased.
2. Too broad of an experiment (I have no idea what this means).

In Rastas defence it was relevant to me mocking how he lived in the basement of his moms house and blames all of his problems in life on women.

Uh, hello? "Scientific paper."

Now, back to complaining about too broad of research...

Now I'm interested in whether he has lots of friends who live in their mother's basement and blame their problems on women.

Its about how schools and society treats the middle of the pack boys. My paper is on the marginalization of that group and how they are made invisible in between the few boys that do really good and the group of boys that cause problems. Add in the factor of schools focusing most of their efforts on girls and this group is left to fend for themselves.

The great epic myth of the struggle for averages boys to fend for themselves against identity politics!

Hmm

upgraded to a great epic myth, at least