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08-21-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Well he argued that fewer Mexicans were migrating to the US because peak oil was making conditions worse in Mexico. That was attempted empiricism I guess.
Wrong again, liar. I argued net migration was lower because we're deporting more and our own situation (jobs) is so horrible. Their oil depletion situation remains the root reason they resort to such desperation.

Try and follow along, or stop being such an unrivaled fraud.
08-21-2014 , 04:21 PM
Jiggs, we walked through this a bunch of times, no that's not what happened, you were shown gross migration numbers multiple times but just decided to lash out and call names instead.

Happy to exile bet from unchained over who is accurate about what occurred if you like.
08-21-2014 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Jiggs, you think ENERGY IS THE ECONOMY and that energy availability drives birth rates.
LOL... what in the world do you believe drove the hockey stick rise in population throughout the 20th and second half of the 19th centuries?

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
You should probably just hide for a few days and try again after doing some more learnin' rather than try in vain to score points after getting laughed out of the econ thread.
I crush you every time you engage me on this topic, asshat. Every single time. That is because 1) you don't understand energy AT ALL, and 2) you believe growth is magical, while I know it's a function of efficient energy. One need look no further than the 50% slowing of Western growth in the decade since oil price began spiking.
08-21-2014 , 04:32 PM
No, its a function of energy and numerous other things obviously.
08-21-2014 , 04:33 PM
Show your work. Empirically.

And you are heavy into derp if you think growth was slowed by oil prices spiking and not because a financial meltdown.
08-21-2014 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Show your work. Empirically.

And you are heavy into derp if you think growth was slowed by oil prices spiking and not because a financial meltdown.
Not if the meltdown was caused by

Spoiler:
PEEEEAAAAAAK ERRRRRLLLLLLLL
08-21-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Jiggs, we walked through this a bunch of times, no that's not what happened, you were shown gross migration numbers multiple times but just decided to lash out and call names instead.

Happy to exile bet from unchained over who is accurate about what occurred if you like.
That most certainly was my argument: That 1) net migration was only down due to deportations, border-crossing dangers and horrible employment conditions here, and 2) their oil production decline is precisely why the country is dying. Yes it was, so bet accepted... Here we are:

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Mexico is dying. And it has everything to do with shrinking petroleum exports. Deal with it.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
The desperation of Mexican citizens has most everything to do with Mexico's dying oil production. Period, end sentence.

Peak oil and Mexico: The socioeconomic impacts of Cantarell’s decline

Oil revenues constitute nearly 40% of the Federal government’s budget. After a decade of steady progress in poverty reduction, a severe production decrease will put public spending in jeopardy. In 2006, despite nearly identical sales of $100 billion, Pemex paid $54 billion in taxes compared to only about $36 billion by PDVSA, Venezuela’s state-controlled oil company.

In short, revenue from oil exports is the foundation of Mexico’s leap forward.
But, the specter of Mexico’s emerging public spending crisis looms on the horizon. Reality is quickly setting in. Second quarter profits dropped 56% this year over the same period in 2007. This decline in revenues has forced Mexican President Felipe Calderón to call for “an urgent reduction in public spending to reduce the enormous dependence on oil revenue.” It is no exaggeration to state that the government’s ability or inability to adapt to lower oil revenues will affect virtually every aspect of life in Mexico.
Mexico: Oil Depletion and Illegal U.S. Immigration
Given the country's obvious dependence on oil revenues, a projected sizeable drop in production is worrisome. Whether or not the new oil discoveries will ultimately offset the current decline remains to be seen.

Any significant shortfall in oil revenues, which leaves the government with less money to deal with domestic issues, will likely prompt more Mexicans to contemplate migrating north to the U.S.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Figures being down aren't a sign that things are getting better in Mexico, you dumb tool. They are down because U.S. job and housing construction markets are horrible, there's heightened border enforcement by nutjob cons, there's a rise in deportations, as well as all the other dangers associated with illegal border crossings. Are you aware that every Mexican sent home counts towards the stat your trying to champion? Probably not. But what does context matter in the mind of someone like you, who is akin to a RW climate denialist?
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Meanwhile, it was mentioned in every link I presented in the previous post, showing beyond a doubt that dwindling oil revenue is contributing heavily to the level of despair in that country.

It's often hard to tell if you're stupid, or just willfully being a dick. Undoubtedly, equal parts both.

Increased deportations do more for my argument than yours, dip****. DUCY?
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
  • Net migration has "declined" in large part because we've ramped up deportations. Those count in the reverse column.
  • I've already provided multiple links asserting their dwindling oil production is causing emigration.
  • It is my extremely well-supported position that Mexico is among the many dozens of countries long past peak, yes. And no amount of privatized prayer and bending over for shale oil exploitation will make up for the decline.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
If a million sneak over the border and we send a 1.1 million back in a given year, it makes it look like they're choosing not to come here any more to deep thinkers like you. Oops. No.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...ry.html#page=1
Until recent years, most people caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Your entire ******ed argument, apparently, is that 1) dwindling federal revenue has nothing to do with declining oil production, or 2) dwindling federal revenue does not contribute to emigration to the U.S.

Both, beyond a doubt, have been proven false.

The fact that we're making it way harder for them to come and stay here DOES NOTHING for your position that they somehow don't want to. Worse, it does not show - at all - how their terminal oil production is no factor in those that do try to come here.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Yes, I most certainly did account for it. From post 61:
They are down because U.S. job and housing construction markets are horrible, there's heightened border enforcement by nutjob cons, there's a rise in deportations, as well as all the other dangers associated with illegal border crossings. Are you aware that every Mexican sent home counts towards the stat your trying to champion? Probably not. But what does context matter in the mind of someone like you, who is akin to a RW climate denialist?
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
I do find it interesting that Gambool was challenged to show how deportations don't count in the figures, and refused to do so.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
next, I've already explained (with multiple linked corroborations) why migrations numbers are down. Fatalities, increased push back from border patrol and no work to be found here tends to thwart the green light for leaving. So again, it's not that they don't want to leave. It's that the increased danger of doing so keeps all but the most desperate home.

You're not making much of a case, besides pointing to some numbers and refusing to acknowledge what they actually mean. Meanwhile, they're still coming here in droves, and you're still ignoring the reasons why.

In classic fashion, you lie and pretend I ever said anything about the numbers needing to be inversely proportionate to lower oil production over some time line.
So, yes... That was my argument... You lied about my argument, and you stepped in it by offering an exile bet, insisting it "wasn't what happened." Now GTFO, loser.
08-21-2014 , 05:07 PM
Gee Jiggs, you seem to have forgotten to link to the thread and have left out all of my posts during that exchange that showed why this

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Mexico is dying. And it has everything to do with shrinking petroleum exports. Deal with it.
was wrong and not supported by the facts, primarily because you didn't understand gross migration figures and were arguing that migration figures showed how peak oil was making things worse in Mexico despite the fact that the figures actually showed fewer migrations from Mexico.

So, yeah, no, don't think I'll be leaving based on your evaluation. If you accept the exile bet we can find some neutrals to evaluate though.

Gonna need to, you know, post the whole thread including my responses and the responses to other people who showed you were wrong to decide though. Crazy stuff, I know.

EDIT: The simplest way to put it is I know what you think you were arguing...its just not actually what you were arguing given the migration numbers mentioned in that thread. So posting your posts only doesn't really help because you didn't really understand what you were actually arguing, which is why you brought the funny to that thread.

Last edited by LetsGambool; 08-21-2014 at 05:15 PM.
08-21-2014 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Gee Jiggs, you seem to have forgotten to link to the thread and have left out all of my posts during that exchange that showed why this



was wrong and not supported by the facts, primarily because you didn't understand gross migration figures.


So, yeah, no, don't think I'll be leaving based on your evaluation. If you accept the exile bet we can find some neutrals to evaluate though.

Gonna need to, you know, post the whole thread including my responses and the other people who showed you were wrong to decide though. Crazy stuff, I know.
There's no need to. Your dumb responses had nothing to do with your exile bet challenge. You lied about my argument, I corrected you. You then denied that was my argument, and made the mistake of offering the bet.

Not that I had any doubt you'd welch, I just wanted to be clear that you - once again - can't ever be honest about what my argument actually is. That is because you are, by far, the forum's most dishonest douche bag. Your straw man problem is so profound and pathological (apparently), you literally offered an exile bet that your fraudulent depiction of what I said in that thread was reality, and my stated account correcting you was "not what happened." You doubled down.

LOL.... You just f***ed up. ... I warned you not to keep making the mistake of entering energy discussion because you don't ever know what you're talking about, but you just can't help yourself. On top of being badly outmatched on the topic, now you've revealed yourself as a welcher.

Because I don't want you to leave, as you're the perfect foil re: the global energy depletion issue, I'll let you out of the bet for a two-week self ban, and I'll never mention it again. If not, and you're not man enough to accept that concession, I will remind the forum every time you address me that you're a liar and a welcher of your own bet.
08-21-2014 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
EDIT: The simplest way to put it is I know what you think you were arguing...its just not actually what you were arguing given the migration numbers mentioned in that thread. So posting your posts only doesn't really help because you didn't really understand what you were actually arguing, which is why you brought the funny to that thread.
LOL... and here's you trying to move the goalposts afterwards when you know you just got caught lying about what my argument actually was.
08-21-2014 , 05:19 PM
Jiggs, link to the thread. You literally don't understand what you were arguing given the migration numbers. That's the whole point and what was funny. The exile bet offer still stands, but obviously it has to be adjudicated by neutrals.

I will let you out of the bet for a two week self-ban. If not I will constantly remind you that, despite all your talk about dying to try and find a way to get me out of this forum, you weren't willing to bet that you understood your own argument
08-21-2014 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Jiggs, link to the thread. You literally don't understand what you were arguing given the migration numbers.
You changed your claim from net to gross migration numbers, and I showed (replete with links) how both are down due to other factors, NOT a reduced desire to leave their dying country. Your'e the one who literally doesn't understand.

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
That's the whole point and what was funny. The exile bet offer still stands, but obviously it has to be adjudicated by neutrals.
So you offer a bet, it's accepted. As it was worded, you're crushed. And now you wanna 1) walk it back, clarify what you "meant", and 2) have some "neutral" party bail you out.

You suck so bad. While I've long-since known you have zero character, it's satisfying that the entire forum is now getting a strong whiff of how horrible you clearly are. Welcher.
08-21-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
I will let you out of the bet for a two week self-ban. If not I will constantly remind you that, despite all your talk about dying to try and find a way to get me out of this forum, you weren't willing to bet that you understood your own argument
And here's you tripling down, countering my plea-bargain with your own. After YOU got caught lying about my position in that thread. You don't have a leg to stand on, liar. You offered a clearly defined exile bet, you lost, and now you wanna re-write what you "meant" the bet was about.

So horrible.
08-21-2014 , 05:31 PM
So you have no confidence a neutral party will agree with you? Otherwise seems like an easy call for you.

Still will let you out for a two week self ban
08-21-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
So you have no confidence a neutral party will agree with you? Otherwise seems like an easy call for you.
No, I have no confidence a neutral party exists on this forum. Huge difference.

I have FULL confidence, however, that you're a complete coward who is attempting to dance his way out of an exile bet YOU offered and lost.

GTFO. ... And in the next forum you troll in, try and be honest about what your debate opponent has ever typed.

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Still will let you out for a two week self ban
LOL... Again, your counter-suit has no merit. You made the bet, you lost the bet... You're trying to change the bet.

Your argument is like taking the Knicks at +10, watching them lose by 12, and refusing to pay, telling the book maker you meant to buy points.
08-21-2014 , 05:39 PM
Lol at you trying to arbitrate this bet.

Neutral party offer open permanently obviously. Quote to accept.
08-21-2014 , 05:47 PM
LOL... No, that would be you ...

You lost your exile bet. ... You're not paying up, and instead you're now trying to rewrite it. I'm under no obligation to accept your amended version.

Just stop lying about what people have ever said, and you wouldn't be left looking like a complete jackass.
08-21-2014 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
when is the book coming out steelhouse?
think we could just make a large collection of all his posts and put it in eBook format?

it's not like he ever really interacts with people
08-21-2014 , 05:59 PM
Who is the guy in Steelhouse's avatar?
08-21-2014 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
LOL... No, that would be you ...

You lost your exile bet. ... You're not paying up, and instead you're now trying to rewrite it. I'm under no obligation to accept your amended version.

Just stop lying about what people have ever said, and you wouldn't be left looking like a complete jackass.
I didn't lose anything Jiggs. Offer remains open.
08-21-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
I didn't lose anything Jiggs. Offer remains open.
Here's how the exchange went, liar and bet welcher:
You: "Well he argued that fewer Mexicans were migrating to the US because peak oil was making conditions worse in Mexico. "

Me: "Wrong again, liar. I argued net migration was lower because we're deporting more and our own situation (jobs) is so horrible. Their oil depletion situation remains the root reason they resort to such desperation. "

You: "Jiggs, we walked through this a bunch of times, no that's not what happened, you were shown gross migration numbers multiple times but just decided to lash out and call names instead.

Happy to exile bet from unchained over who is accurate about what occurred if you like
."
I then showed a half dozen posts where that was, without question, exactly what I advocated in the thread, and you officially lost your own exile bet. You then attempted the re-write the bet under an entirely different premise, with different conditions.

Stop making it worse for yourself.
08-21-2014 , 06:44 PM
Jiggs, the only thing that you've reinforced to the four people who have read this far is that you are a certified lunatic megalomania for cherrypicking your goalpost moving posts our of context, not linking to the whole thread, and then declaring yourself victor.

Your argument was that peak oil in Mexico was increasing migration from Mexico to the US. You were shown, repeatedly, that fewer people were coming from Mexico to the US, then you doubled down Therefore, you were arguing exactly this.

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Well he argued that fewer Mexicans were migrating to the US because peak oil was making conditions worse in Mexico. That was attempted empiricism I guess
.

This was pointed out to you by multiple posters in that thread and why you were laughed at repeatedly in that thread.

Accept the exile bet, link to the whole thread, let a neutral poster arbitrate. I will still let you out, but now it will take a three week self-ban for you

Last edited by LetsGambool; 08-21-2014 at 06:51 PM.
08-21-2014 , 06:50 PM
Migration numbers were pretty damning.
08-21-2014 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
think we could just make a large collection of all his posts and put it in eBook format?

it's not like he ever really interacts with people
He was writing a book and hoping he wasn't forced to write a different book that his ultra-liberal aunt wanted him to write. Hasn't been updated in awhile. Id certainly fork over $10 for it.
08-21-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 74Offsuit
Who is the guy in Steelhouse's avatar?
R.Havenstein

      
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