I would put forth that thread as my most compelling argument in favor, but it's gone now. Nobody has ever delivered the content PU seems to truly want quite like SM2. He was the perfect embodiment of the enemy everybody craves - a not very bright racist numbskull prone to conspiracy nonsense who nevertheless was capable of crafting lengthy, coherent posts that made his positions abundantly clear. And he was, in his own deplorable way, somewhat likable.

If we want that content, we're wrong and should be slapped in the damn face.

And **** you for finding him likable.

Lol.
Another notable feature was his ability to draw the worst behavior out of so-called social justice warriors. Time and time again I called him out for trolling liberals for just that purpose and he never denied it. I wonder how many lurkers he sends here to show them what race hustlers look like in the wild?

I think Dids was scared to face him. I do not recall Dids ever confronting him directly, could be mistaken though.

As my thread on moderation I'm just going to delete any posts about race made after this.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system

Bloody peasants.

5k is a good distance for a race

This is **** moderation. You shouldn't allow hate speech, that's exactly what he's doing, and regardless of if it's trolling or ignorance, there's no good reason to give voice to his idiocy.

GOOD MODERATION IS USING YOUR ****ING BRAIN AND NOT JUST WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO BREAK WRITTEN RULES. THAT'S HOW THE BAG GUYS WIN, WHEN THE GOOD GUYS REFUSE TO BE SMART AND PROACTIVE.

JESUS ****ING CHRIST.

Looks like the mod trolls found a new target. How long before Anais/Low Key changes screennames? Will Dids revert to only posting in Unchained infrequently and only to make deceitful remarks about the moderation?

Will they break JJShabado and rejoice in his meltdown?

Stay tuned, to Junior High "Social Justice" Unchained to find out.

Since I'm yelling about it in another thread I'll say it here.

It is terrible moderation to see somebody deliberately skirting the rules, acknowledge that that's what they're doing, and let them get away with it. IF that's what moderation looked like, it could be done with a bot. The point of being a moderator is using good judgement, and not taking a black and white approach to the rules.

To me, there's one basic rule of UNCHAINED, which is "no bigotry, no hate speech", and there's far too many posters (sputnik and the other clowns in the various sexism threads) that are getting away with it.

Unless we're using "bitch," "pussy," all things Autism, and homosexual behavior as a means to insult and degrade others. In these instances Dids gets to lol, but otherwise? Hard line approach. No nonsense.

In my ideal world PU would be modded by a bot. Hell, my sales pitch for the job was that I intended to do as little modding as possible.

I don't even think the rule "no bigotry, no hate speech" is a rule of unchained. If someone wants to explain why they're a bigot (even if they don't agree that they are a bigot) then I'm fine with it. If people just want to spout bigotry without any attempt to back it up then I'm fine with banning them.

Edit: And DiB's point is exactly right. Every moderator has very different views on very different subjects. Some people are cool with allowing insensitive remarks about people with mental health issues while being very strict against sexism. Others are cool with allowing mocking of a guy getting his head cut off on a bus, but won't allow any jokes about school shootings. And so on. I view PU as the place where insensitivity is generally allowed on all subjects.

But even I have my pet causes - so I'm generally stricter on posts about violence and overly personal attacks.

I've known all along that how I planned to mod PU wouldn't be cool with a subset of people (like Dids).

Just because my personal/political views generally align with their personal views doesn't mean that's how I'll mod.

I also have one thing going for me - I think PU can be an interesting playground. Especially if I get time to build some things to make self-modding easier. But at the end of the day being a mod of PU isn't really a big part of who I am. Nor do I really care too much about 'driving away good posters' with bad moderation since we have a heavily moderated politics forum where those people are free to post.

Maybe the basic rule is: No blatant bigotry or hate speech.

JJ stated that sputnik was a good troll for the ability to get away with sexism without breaking rules. That's silly for a number of reasons.

Blatant sexism and racism shouldn't be allowed for a solid reason even if done so to troll. Minorities and females are less likely to visit PU if this subforum is filled with that kind of stuff. The subforum should be open to all who aren't gigantic pussies when encountering mean text. There's a difference from pussies and people who see racism and sexism and just walk away from it. It's why it was right for Bruce to be demodded. He was creating an environment whether it was his intention or not that was hostile to people.

This is my own idea of what PU should be... a place we can discuss issues and call each other out for being idiots on a particular subject, not some safe haven for people who never at least try on an occasion to add to discussions. Obviously sensitive issues like sex and race should be discussed, but in ways besides SM2 scapegoating blacks for society's ills, or omnishakira or sputnik being lazy trolls fishing for EZ prey.

JJ, what I think you need to do is weigh out whether people are adding to discussion or just making it completely meaningless.

It would help if people complaining about bigotry would not overlook a lot of actual bigotry.

Also helps not get tunnel-vision with assumptions of bigotry when a poster confronts them disagreeably in a social justice thread .

****ing pussies amirite?

Let's make women comfortable by using "pussy" as a way to demean those we perceive to be cowardly or weak.

We can also create a safe environment by getting laughs over telling posters that they engage in homosexuality. Because unless this is followed up by "...and PS I hate gays!", it's just boys being boys. Good fun for all involved.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, only pussy-ass bitches feel using autism as an insult is offensive. Same goes for any other label one might find in the DSM.

So go whine to Mat Sklansky for using that word. He called political posters pussies right before PU was created.

Words have these things called connotations. If you aren't brilliant enough to figure that out perhaps you need to quit whining so much.

What about non-blatant sexism and racism? Is it possible to be sexist or racist in a non-blatant fashion? If non-blatant and blatant are different categories that require different treatment, who gets to decide which category something falls into?

The mods. That's why a mod has to be somebody with good judgement and not just somebody following the explicit letter of the law.

Make simple rules, be clear that they're open to interpretation, enforce them. It's easy.

I strongly disagree with JJ's impression of the rules for UNCHAINED. I don't think there's any reason to allow bigots to explain their bigotry. That ship's already sailed. There's no need to keep having that debate.

Well, not all racists are out in the open Asian. There's subtle forms of racism in the world, or not so conscious forms of it. Like treating someone from another race differently than you would if that person was your race. I don't think many of us have problems acknowledging that happens.

Jesus ****ing Christ, we've come full circle back around to this?

spankBot2.0

But the only poster who half-assedly attempts to back up their bigotry is sputty, and all he ever says is "feminazis in sweden are bad, therefore women suck". I guess that technically counts as 'backing it up' by the letter of the law'. Your mark8675309s and johnnycrashes of the world don't even give a **** enough to offer that flimsy of a pretext.

But hey, 2+2 needs trolls who are hostile towards women because without them...

I don't know? You finish that sentence for me. What's the downside of knocking off these trolls who make this a worse place for no purpose whatsoever?

Even Mat has come out recently saying he no longer cares for people who help prop up others' bigotry.

How open are you to an interpretation that is different from yours? Can you point to a specific post that you have reported because you thought it should be punished but not action was taken?

Well, duh. Subtle racism isn't blatant racism. Let's say we agree blatant racism shouldn't be allowed in PU. Should subtle racism be treated the same way?