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View Poll Results: Mandated reporting for rape/sexual assault would significantly decrease their prevalence.

Strongly agree

3 15.79%

Agree

2 10.53%

Undecided

5 26.32%

Disagree

5 26.32%

Strongly disagree

4 21.05%

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10-21-2014 , 07:30 PM

#26

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Take a softer line on topics (mandated reporting, for example) you aren't familiar with Mr. Mod.

I'm trying to learn! That's why I ask questions! I want to learn what your position is so that I can vote in your poll.

10-21-2014 , 07:31 PM

#27

DudeImBetter

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Read up, then reconsider my proposal.

10-21-2014 , 07:33 PM

#28

MrWookie

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You said your proposal was "similar." Maybe you want more things to be reported? How am I supposed to know? Not to mention that mandatory reporting laws for high schools are different in every state. You also have not specified how your still-unspecified proposal deals with differences between high schools and colleges.

10-21-2014 , 07:36 PM

#29

MrWookie

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And no matter how many times I read Vermont's reporting laws, I still am left with no idea of the specifics of what you propose.

10-21-2014 , 07:43 PM

#30

DudeImBetter

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"But Dibbers, you're uncertain if janitors would be considered mandated reporters?! LOL clueless amirite NO CLUE ABOUT SPECIFICS."

10-21-2014 , 07:50 PM

#31

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Mostly I'm focusing on reporting suspicion of sex crimes, given the exceptionally high prevalence of sexual assaults at colleges.

Okay lets stick to that subset of crimes.

Are you just saying that whenever someone reports to the college that they have been victim of a sex crime then that has to be reported to the police. Possibly by something like well named's process but it could be any other process.

Seems a straightforward position so i'm not sure why there's so much confusion about it unless I'm missing something.

10-21-2014 , 07:52 PM

#32

DudeImBetter

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I'm getting trolled because I'm disliked by team #dudeliterally, which consists of Wookie, Fly, LK, Drugsarebad, Dids, and others.

10-21-2014 , 08:24 PM

#33

13ball

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I guess. But maybe not.

10-21-2014 , 08:40 PM

#34

AsianNit

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

I'm getting trolled because I'm disliked by team #dudeliterally, which consists of Wookie, Fly, LK, Drugsarebad, Dids, and others.

You might want to think about why they dislike you.

10-21-2014 , 08:53 PM

#35

vajennasguy

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Are schools still allowed to punish regardless of outcome of trial? If so, I like the idea of mandated reporting.

10-21-2014 , 09:01 PM

#36

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by vajennasguy

Are schools still allowed to punish regardless of outcome of trial? If so, I like the idea of mandated reporting.

Not in my scenario, but I'd prefer mandated reporting and schools still issuing their own punishments over the status quo.

10-21-2014 , 09:09 PM

#37

vajennasguy

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Ya ur plan is **** then

10-21-2014 , 09:55 PM

#38

well named

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vajennasguy

Are schools still allowed to punish regardless of outcome of trial? If so, I like the idea of mandated reporting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Not in my scenario, but I'd prefer mandated reporting and schools still issuing their own punishments over the status quo.

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Originally Posted by vajennasguy

Ya ur plan is **** then

I think we're done here

10-21-2014 , 10:14 PM

#39

Huehuecoyotl

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Third party reporting system.

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The third-party sexual assault reporting system is called Callisto, and was designed by nonprofit Sexual Health Innovations for use by higher education institutions. Callisto allows a victim to file an incident report online, to "receive a clear explanation of their reporting options, and then either directly submit the report to their chosen authority or save it as a time-stamped record," the company said in its description.

...

The Callisto system would allow reporting victims to choose to have their perpetrator reported to authorities immediately if the accused has also been reported as an assailant by another user. The initial victim would also get a notification in the event that an additional report is made. But no other individuals or administrators would have access to the database to see whether any single person is listed as either an assailant or victim. Founder and Executive Director of Sexual Health Innovations Jessica Ladd said this is to maintain privacy and to prevent false reports.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/60219...ushpmg00000056

10-22-2014 , 09:20 AM

#40

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

You might want to think about why they dislike you.

They may wanna think why they act dislikable.

'Don't be fooled by an appeal to popularity the most when foolishness is among most popular.'

10-22-2014 , 09:24 AM

#41

DudeImBetter

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The cool kids don't like my approach to handling sexual assault on campus and I don't cower when they cast labels. That's 95% of it right there.

10-22-2014 , 09:26 AM

#42

Trolly McTrollson

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'Don't be fooled by an appeal to popularity the most when foolishness is among most popular.'

10-22-2014 , 09:29 AM

#43

AlexM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianNit

You might want to think about why they dislike you.

If it were a random group of people, sure, but given the people he listed, it's not worth thinking about. Unless maybe you're trying to tell him that he should realize they're trolls and put them on ignore.

10-22-2014 , 09:32 AM

#44

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Narrowing the age of reporting to under 21 would be a balancing act that is compliant with age-based maturity norms.
It sounds fair to expect a change like this will generate a lot of noise and it is exploitable by false accusations. The unintended but imaginable consequences are worth discussing.

10-22-2014 , 09:33 AM

#45

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

The cool kids don't like my approach to handling sexual assault on campus and I don't cower when they cast labels. That's 95% of it right there.

Cooler kids shall prevail!

10-22-2014 , 09:34 AM

#46

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

The cool kids don't like my approach to handling sexual assault on campus and I don't cower when they cast labels. That's 95% of it right there.

Afaics you want sexual assaults reported to the police for reasons no-one can criticize even if they disagreed so I assume they don't like you're views on what else should happen.

Is you're concern about some unfairness in the way institutions might handle those other matters, or are you saying sexual assault is a purely criminal matter and nothing should be done by anyone apart from criminal proceedings (or are you saying something else)

10-22-2014 , 10:25 AM

#47

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

In principle, I have strong reservations with IJBs handling something like rape. It was put best by RAINN:

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The FBI, for purposes of its Uniform Crime Reports, has a hierarchy of crimes — a ranking of violent crimes in order of seriousness. Murder, of course, ranks first. Second is rape. It would never occur to anyone to leave the adjudication of a murder in the hands of a school’s internal judicial process. Why, then, is it not only common, but expected, for them to do so when it comes to sexual assault? We need to get to a point where it seems just as inappropriate to treat rape so lightly.

Practically there are ample reasons as well. I could go into detail, but IJBs are so absurdly negligent when it comes to everything related to these processes that approving of IJB management requires accepting outright negligence in perhaps the least desirable circumstance imaginable. Typically, far more harm than good ever comes to both the accuser and the accused in these proceedings. It's asinine.

10-22-2014 , 12:24 PM

#48

chezlaw

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^ okay but if we force reporting then the criminal aspect would be being handled by the correct authorities.

Then I'm not sure about IJB's. If say they were replaced with our usual civil type courts that could make any necessary rulings then would that be ok? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't do that, just want to know if that would handle your concerns about their competence.

10-22-2014 , 12:55 PM

#49

adacan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

How about something like this. Bear in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about or how colleges are organized, and this is solely for the sake of argument:

If a student of the university reports that they have been sexually assaulted to any faculty or employee of the university, that person is required by law to report this to the appropriate organization within the school that handles student code of conduct violations. That board is required by law to make a report to the police on behalf of the student, regardless of any other disciplinary actions taken. They are also required to disclose that they have made this report to the student that reported the assault.

The requirement only applies to cases where a student is reporting that they have been assaulted themselves. The requirement does not allow for the school to make a determination about the merits of the allegation or whether a crime has been committed, they just report everything.

I agree with this proposal.

10-22-2014 , 01:07 PM

#50

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Posted this in the wrong politics sub forum, apologies.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Great job, Dibbers. You made a third thread for your AIDS that continues to show you have no idea about mandated reporting.

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

I've forgotten more about mandated reporting than you know about it.

Please try to contribute substance or kindly GTFO.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

You haven't even laid out a proposal for mandated reporting.

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Imagine it as being similar to what you'd see at any high school.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Colleges are different from high schools in any of a large number of important ways.

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

You should keep your criticism as vague and not constructive as possible.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

I can't be any more specific than your proposed plan.

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

It's clear you aren't a fan of the idea, and equally clear that you're unwilling to share why. Why you're unwilling? Probably because you're Fly's mindless parrot.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

It's because I have literally no idea what your proposal is.

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Make faculty and staff mandated reporters.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Of what?

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Jaywalking.