No, and because you aren't being a simple prick, mandated reporting doesn't result in the auto-arrest of someone based on hearsay. It simply forces an investigation to start. It's an important distinction.

You're really hung up on this.

Ok, so let's pretend it's true, and that it's so chilling that this negative effect outweighs any benefits of having mandated reporting at colleges.

So why is this only true for this particular vulnerable group? Wouldn't the chilling effect also outweigh the benefits for the other groups? Are you against mandated reporting as a practice in general?

I'll tell you (...as a mandated reporter for years) that the chilling effect was something I initially thought would be problematic; that kids wouldn't divulge abuse/neglect out of fear of consequence. Honestly, this just isn't an issue IRL, for various factors I don't need to discuss unless you're actually curious about it.

Seems to me that small children and Alzheimer patients generally have other barriers that stop them from seeing a therapist.

I'm not against mandated reporting in general.

Also, you totally ignored the first sentence in that post of mine. It was important. So important that I even put it right upfront at the beginning of the post.

So what about members of vulnerable groups who do see counselors, therapists, etc (including both small children AND Alzheimer's patients, btw)? Should these professionals be mandated reporters, or does this chilling effect outweigh the benefits of reporting?

And I'd like to hear more about the physical evidence bit. Why would investigators typically have more physical evidence to go on with other vulnerable groups? I'm also not entirely sure what you're referring to with, "these cases." Which cases? And what's the "ceremonial arrests" business you're referring to?

That isn't the only standard used and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you spelled "to protect vulnerable populations that are deemed unlikely to report on their own" incorrectly. If it was "literally can't report" then we can eliminate the problem by setting up a hotline for abused kids and old people, and do an after-school special for the kids and PSAs for the old people. Oh, wait. We already did that. If they feel like calling, they will. Not our problem if they don't. It disempowers them if we determine for them that what happened to them is unacceptable to us as a society. /sarcasm

Mandated reporting is a no-brainer for the elderly and children, but it seems fairly clear that when there is a population that has a 1/4 chance of being sexually assaulted that rarely reports it, that you have a vulnerable population that is unlikely to report on their own.

Having reasonable suspicion that a sexual assault has occurred is having reasonable suspicion that a sexual predator committed the sexual assault.

Sexual predators are an imminent danger to others. The standard of imminent danger has been applied to mandated reporting and is pretty clear that it applies here.

We've gone way off topic, but I think it depends on how willing these people are to come forward and whether or not investigators can find physical evidence.

There usually isn't much physical evidence for investigators to go on in the kinds of college rapes we've been talking about. Seems like investigators can go check out abusive situations where kids are being kept in unsanitary homes or beaten and such. Again, this is way off topic.

In case I haven't been sufficiently clear, any potential chilling effect on help seeking by victims you mention is a big concern of mine.

I think that the chilling effect of victims not instantly being told "zomg, that is ****ing horrible that someone did that - let's call the cops right now" is quite a bit bigger. I also think it is extremely insensitive for victims to be required to go to the cops. The cops should be going to them because it is their ****ing job!!!

Excellent post.

Thanks, Brian, for earlier reply (my mobile makes quoting long posts difficult).

Gizmo:

Holy ****. So now, apparently, the answer to MrWookie's questions are:

"This proposal is a good idea that will prevent rape, however it is it would do that. Do you agree?" followed by ENDLESS WHINING, philosopher-style.

But there's something really dangerous here. Brian, because of how he's a contrarian moron, has bought into this:
Unbeknownst to him, because of how he's ignorant as ****, the idea that campus rape is something caused by SCARY PREDATORS instead of everyday dudebros is a very common MRA/rape apologist claim. "#NotAllMen" and such, you know?

It's an attempt to remove responsibility from the population at large and "otherize" the perpetrators. Then we get situations like the Occidental case that ikes was so excited to find, where it was just a really sketchy dude taking advantage of a drunk chick, and people are like "how can you call that rape? She went to his room!"

Like, a real common refrain with these people is to pretend rape is only "legitimate" when it's the parking lot with a knife, rather than the dorm room with 7 Bud Lights. That's the societal problem we need to tackle. Not whatever nonspecific nonsense proposal Brian is being smug about ITT.

Cliff's: GO BACK TO SMP YOU ****ING ******S

I mean, I understand this is all a game to you guys, but this is a serious subject. If you aren't capable of discussing it like adults, maybe don't discuss it at all?

...then, in Fly's VERY NEXT BREATH:

lololol

Lots of love Fly, forever and always.

Post the email, DIB

**** YOU MOTHER ****ER PIECE OF **** IF YOU WANT TGE ****ING EMAIL YOU ****ING BEG ME FOR THAT ****!!1!

But seriously, let's be mature adults and calmly discuss the issue at hand. Campus rape warrants our respectful indoor voices.

Not even close to an apt characterization of me, but I am glad that you are bringing this up. Sexual predators are EXTREMELY common and they don't look any different than men who abstain from predation.

Why does Fly whine about alleged whining. And I say
alleged because Fly's whining is apparent, where as the whining Fly alleges does not appear to be existent. Kind of like Dids', 13 ball, Cytri, and Paul D's whining about non-existent stuff. How odd these people all invent fictional whining out of people having an internet discussion and then proceed to themselves whine about it.

I mean if they hate whining, why are they doing is much? And why are they not whining at each other about each other's whining? They really think they are doing this smart? Lol.

I take this subject seriously. You are perfectly within your PU rights to make this all about Fly, but I'd rather you step off a bit instead of being a distraction.

Fly is actually being helpful here despite himself.

Fly makes it all about Fly already, that's what he does. I'm just the messenger. Do please carry on, I doubt I'm much of a distraction simply pointing out what's to see.

While you are busy taking it seriously, please note my post was exactly about people who do not take it seriously- on purposes, so go lecture them about it, instead of choosing to be distracted by me.

ok...back to ignore, sorry for the indiscretion. I blame Dids.