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Originally Posted by Marn
chez,
The real progressive muslims or ex-muslims need protection from fundamentalists wanting to murder them for their ideas, you on the other hand effectively protect the widespread ideas of fundamentalist Islamists by disallowing any critique and discussion of it.
Maajid Nawaz would most likely see you as part of the problem.
RaDiCaL IsLaMiStS are the almost the opposite of fundamentalists. For example, there was literally nothing about drawing Muhammad in Islam for the 1st millennium! Again, you don't know what you're talking about!
There's a smallish group of Muslims called Quranists who only consider the Quran to be the book. They also wouldn't qualify as fundamentalists but they are the exact opposite of the extremists. They reject ALL the Ahadith because they consider all the bad stuff in Islam to come from them, to be random bull**** that random fallible men just made up hundreds of years later to justify bad behavior.
I'm an atheist so I'm most sympathetic to the Quranist perspective, and I believe that's really the only logical perspective to approach the geopolitical quagmire that is modern Islam. Consider some random person who finds God through the Quran and the words of Muhammad and the whole lineage of Abrahamic prophets. Imagine how he or she feels to find out there are these wacky epilogues that people tacked on hundreds of years later, in specific parts of the world, to serve their own interests, and he or she is now getting blamed for them.
"Wait, you're blaming my faith for a dude killing another dude for drawing the prophet?!? There's literally nothing about that in the book I just read!"
You don't treat any other religious adherents this way and that's what people mean by discrimination and dehumanization.
And that's the grandest irony of all this. Salafism and Wahhabism and other extremist bull**** is Brand New Nonsense for geopolitical gain yet you believe it's fundamentalist because THEY THEMSELVES TOLD YOU IT WAS! What kind of enemy of critical thinking do you have to be, to believe the words of your enemy?
"I want to kill you. My book told me it's my duty."
"Okey dokey, sounds good to me! Why would you lie?"
Again, you don't know what you're talking about, and I'd like to point out that what you perceive as defending Islam is partially just clowning you for reveling in your arrogant ignorance.