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05-03-2014 , 08:27 PM
05-03-2014 , 08:28 PM
05-03-2014 , 08:28 PM
OMG THOSE DUMB LIBERTARIANS

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...-the-drug-war/
05-03-2014 , 08:29 PM
LMFAO AT THOSE LIBERTARIANS

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/19/5...ng-to-congress
05-03-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
What will the police need next? Cruise missiles and napalm?
05-04-2014 , 12:16 AM
Back the the pussy issue and having balls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8QKGwb3c5I&t=1m29s
05-04-2014 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
And here we see Rule 1 of LibertarianWhateverism in full play: Don't talk about LibertarianWhateverism. Don't explain how unregulated, privatized security forces will restrain themselves from harming innocent people or buying the best weapons they can. Don't get tricked into a discussion of how privatized Mexican cartel "dispute resolution organizations" walk around with RPGs and kill truckloads of civilians daily. Just talk about how governments screw up. Demonstrating that Libertarian fantasyland will be any better than gov't is NOT something you may talk about under Rule #1.
05-04-2014 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
And here we see Rule 1 of LibertarianWhateverism in full play: Don't talk about LibertarianWhateverism. Don't explain how unregulated, privatized security forces will restrain themselves from harming innocent people or buying the best weapons they can. Don't get tricked into a discussion of how privatized Mexican cartel "dispute resolution organizations" walk around with RPGs and kill truckloads of civilians daily. Just talk about how governments screw up. Demonstrating that Libertarian fantasyland will be any better than gov't is NOT something you may talk about under Rule #1.
Strike a nerve? Let's ignore this real world example where libertarians are 100% no doubt in the right and lol about some theoretical fantasyland dorm room baloney. You're clearly a really serious thinker. Keep it up.

Bonus points for somehow trying to portray Mexican cartels, which are purely a result of non-libertarian government boondoggles, as some sort of strike against libertarianism. Chutzpah, you has it.
05-04-2014 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Strike a nerve?
Ah, the standard "u mad?" response. Classic.

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Originally Posted by pvn
Let's ignore this real world example where libertarians are 100% no doubt in the right...
Libertarians: 100% right about not liking police violence.

Nice, except everybody on the planet is also against police violence. Man, there are even a handful of statists who oppose the war on drugs! There's nothing remotely Libertarian about the articles you've posted, but the notion of Rule #1 is so deeply ingrained that you think talking about police violence is some vindication of Libertarian fantasyland, since that's the closest we can ever come to talking about Libertarian fantasyland. Will there be less police violence when for-profit privatized police forces roam the streets?


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Originally Posted by pvn
Bonus points for somehow trying to portray Mexican cartels, which are purely a result of non-libertarian government boondoggles, as some sort of strike against libertarianism. Chutzpah, you has it.
Silly me for thinking unregulated, privatized security forces are in any way representative of what unregulated, privatized security forces will be like. As long as gov't boondoggles exist anywhere in the world, no failure of the private system can ever be attributed to the free market. We can't talk about Libertarian boondoggles until the whole world becomes government-free--which bookends nicely with Rule #1.

Last edited by The REAL Trolly; 05-04-2014 at 09:42 AM.
05-04-2014 , 11:24 AM
"So you're telling me government prohibition on drugs has turned the actual real world cops into a gang of unaccountable thugs?

LOLLIBERTARUANS"

Keep digging. You're almost there.
05-04-2014 , 11:26 AM
There's nothing libertarian about not having a war on drugs, not spying on your own citizens and lying about it to congress with no ramifications, nothing libertarian about not assassinating your own citizens without due process.

What does the word mean to you, exactly?
05-04-2014 , 11:53 AM
LMFAO at more of this Libertarian-type-ism branding.

ZOMG, I never realized it before... but only Libertarian-types are against Obama's drone wars, only Libertarian-types are against militarizing the police, only Libertarian-types are against the War on Drug Users, and only Libertarian-types are for simple plain honesty.

Of course, Libertarian-type dogma is uniquely 'rational', even 'objective', those on that drank say. Using the very foundation of Libertarian-type-ism, the Manichean 'Axiom', all non-Libertarian-types are lumped together as one (usually called 'statists') and must necessarily hold exactly opposite beliefs (usually in favor of 'growing' government only for the sake of 'growing' government). /QED



But wait... Mormons are also against Bad People Doing Bad Things. They're into Manichean 'thinking' too. On their drank... all non-Mormons are lumped together as one ('unbelievers') and must necessarily hold exactly opposite beliefs (they promote 'sin'). /QED

But wait, wait again... In fact, everyone is against Bad People Doing Bad Things. The only difference is most people, even when on some other kinda drank, don't have no stinking LOLtastical Manichean 'Axiom'... unlike our faith-based friends, both religious (Mormons) and secular (Libertarian-types).

And here's where the real LOLZ are found for the squeezing...
  • We can examine the forty year old historical record of the IRL Astro-turf Libertarian-type 'Movement' industry/scam... say, in stopping wars.

  • We can ask our Libertarian-types to identify exactly which real people, IRL, they imagine are actually for, and actively facilitating, Bad People doing Bad Things. Always a chuckle as they dissemble.

  • Or we can ask them, as nicely as possible, to elaborate on what the distinguishing characteristics of this Libertarian-type-ism they prate on-and-on about might be. How would it be different than some ideal Morman society... how might it work, what is a way it could be organized, what possible ways might it be brought into being. And watch the Libertarian-types, well... basically do this...

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Originally Posted by pvn
Strike a nerve? Let's ignore this real world example where libertarians are 100% no doubt in the right and lol about some theoretical fantasyland dorm room baloney. You're clearly a really serious thinker. Keep it up.

Bonus points for somehow trying to portray Mexican cartels, which are purely a result of non-libertarian government boondoggles, as some sort of strike against libertarianism. Chutzpah, you has it.
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
And here we see Rule 1 of LibertarianWhateverism in full play: Don't talk about LibertarianWhateverism. Don't explain... Don't get tricked into a discussion ... Demonstrating that Libertarian fantasyland will be any better... is NOT something you may talk about under Rule #1.
LMFAO no... it doesn't 'strike a nerve'.

Libertarian-type-ism is historically tied to a particular era. Perhaps not coincidentally, an era when very conservative and predictable running offenses dominated what is now called FBS. Basically the 'No True Scotsman' is the 'student body right', and "Look, look what the 'statists' do !!!1!" is the 'student body left' of the Libertarian-type playbook.

Want to answer some real Q's...

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Originally Posted by pvn
... lol about some theoretical fantasyland dorm room baloney. You're clearly a really serious thinker. Keep it up...
Since Libertarian-types won't talk about their Libertarian-type-ism (see Rule#1), HTF are we supposed to learn how wonderful it is... if we can't even ask any theoretical questions about it? Is it more a matter of "faith"... like those ever elusive "good arguments for ACism" ??

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Originally Posted by pvn
...Bonus points for... trying to portray Mexican cartels... as some sort of strike against libertarianism...
Points for explaining, in some kinda theory, how DROs would be different than MX Drug Cartels. Bonus points for making sense.

Spoiler:
As you personally understand the concepts and theories, and not at all saying you are in anyway [/i]that kinda[/i] Libertarian-type (or even a libertarian-type at all, for that matter)... and with full understanding that all Libertarian-types aren't the same (and in fact, are as different and special as individual snowflakes... and also with full understanding that you might later freely change your mind... etc, etc, etc.

And whatever other qualification and quibbles you might wanna add.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 05-04-2014 at 12:05 PM.
05-04-2014 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
There's nothing libertarian about not having a war on drugs, not spying on your own citizens and lying about it to congress with no ramifications, nothing libertarian about not assassinating your own citizens without due process...
ZOMG, now you're starting to get it.

There's absolutely nothing libertarian-type about those things... just like there's absolutely nothing Mormon, 'statist', or US Democratic about these things. With the significant exception of drug enforcement policy, these are things all good people agree on.

Here's the point.

Nobody wants to hear about how Libertarian-type-ism is exactly the same as everything else. We wanna talk about how it's different. And boy... is it different.

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...What does the word mean to you, exactly?
This is a TARP.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 05-04-2014 at 12:15 PM.
05-04-2014 , 12:10 PM
Tried reading some of this thread and I have no idea what's going. But I would say that I'm like half democrat half libertarian
05-04-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
LMFAO at more of this Libertarian-type-ism branding.
Yes, LMFAO indeed. That's the whole purpose of this thread, you want to apply some sort of branding to the word.

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ZOMG, I never realized it before... but only Libertarian-types are against Obama's drone wars, only Libertarian-types are against militarizing the police, only Libertarian-types are against the War on Drug Users, and only Libertarian-types are for simple plain honesty.
Uh, dude. You want to LOL at ALL THINGS libertarian type. I never claimed "only" libertarians are in favor of these things. In fact, it's quite obviously the contrary, otherwise you WOULD be LOLing at the idea of drug legalization. But that is, regardless, a libertarian idea.

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all non-Libertarian-types are lumped together as one (usually called 'statists') and must necessarily hold exactly opposite
YES. That is EXACTLY the paradigm YOU YOURSELF set up with your ****ing ******ed OP. Sorry you just now figured out how ****ing stupid that was, but it was in fact your idea.

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But wait, wait again... In fact, everyone is against Bad People Doing Bad Things.
Uh, quite the contrarary. There are plenty of quite un-libertarian people out there who want to keep droning, keep prohibitioning, keep spying, keep restricting gay people, etc. Do you even live in the real world, bro?

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  • We can examine the forty year old historical record of the IRL Astro-turf Libertarian-type 'Movement' industry/scam... say, in stopping wars.
  • OK? Go ahead?

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  • We can ask our Libertarian-types to identify exactly which real people, IRL, they imagine are actually for, and actively facilitating, Bad People doing Bad Things. Always a chuckle as they dissemble.
Did you actually read any of the links I provided? Obama, Clapper, etc are REAL PEOPLE, actual human beings with a pulse who hold actual office in the real world.

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  • Or we can ask them, as nicely as possible, to elaborate on what the distinguishing characteristics of this Libertarian-type-ism they prate on-and-on about might be. How would it be different than some ideal Morman society... how might it work, what is a way it could be organized, what possible ways might it be brought into being. And watch the Libertarian-types, well... basically do this...
  • I don't know man, the idea of ending the drug war is just TOO COMPLICATED, how could it possibly ever happen? Would we need a whole new constitution? Would we need to discover faster than light travel first? Solve the Riemann hypothesis? NOBODY CAN EVER KNOW LOL LIBERTARIANS.




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    LMFAO no... it doesn't 'strike a nerve'.

    Libertarian-type-ism is historically tied to a particular era. Perhaps not coincidentally, an era when very conservative and predictable running offenses dominated what is now called FBS. Basically the 'No True Scotsman' is the 'student body right', and "Look, look what the 'statists' do !!!1!" is the 'student body left' of the Libertarian-type playbook.
    Right, I get it, this thread is just for you to lol about these imaginary bad guys you dreamed up, no one else is allowed to have fun in this thread, it's a NO FUN ZONE.


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    Want to answer some real Q's...


    Since Libertarian-types won't talk about their Libertarian-type-ism (see Rule#1), HTF are we supposed to learn how wonderful it is... if we can't even ask any theoretical questions about it? Is it more a matter of "faith"... like those ever elusive "good arguments for ACism" ??
    who said you can't ask theoretical questions? Ask all you want dude. You sound like the Sterling defenders complaining about the death of free speech.

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    Points for explaining, in some kinda theory, how DROs would be different than MX Drug Cartels. Bonus points for making sense.
    lol, it's like we're being transported back to the politards forum circa 2008. DROs are not some crucial lynchpin to libertarian ideas, dude. And besides, as I've already pointed out, Mexican drug cartels are fueled by... drugs. A black market created by... LIBERTARIANS. I mean, wait, uh, oh man, it's so hard to stay on-message here.

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    Spoiler:
    As you personally understand the concepts and theories, and not at all saying you are in anyway [/i]that kinda[/i] Libertarian-type (or even a libertarian-type at all, for that matter)... and with full understanding that all Libertarian-types aren't the same (and in fact, are as different and special as individual snowflakes... and also with full understanding that you might later freely change your mind... etc, etc, etc.

    And whatever other qualification and quibbles you might wanna add.
    [/QUOTE]

    How do you personally understand that libertarians are responsible for this?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...rother/360954/

    or this?

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.U2ZpnjnqjRV
    05-04-2014 , 08:31 PM
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    Originally Posted by pvn
    LOL US DEMOCRATS [ D: the drone wars]
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    Originally Posted by pvn
    LOLOLOLUSDEMOCRATS [M: overly militarized police]
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    Originally Posted by pvn
    OMG THOSE DUMB US DEMOCRATS [W: war on drug users]
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    Originally Posted by pvn
    LMFAO AT THOSE US DEMOCRATS [L: lying to Congress]
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    Originally Posted by pvn
    ... How do you personally understand that US Democrats are responsible
    for this? [S: drone surveillance overreach]

    or this? [C: undo Citigroup influence]
    FYP. And let me clarify.

    I'm not talking necessarily about Obamaman, or currently elected US Democrats, or those historically elected, or candidates for major office, or professional staffers, volunteers, voting or registered members, supporters, fans, or the captive polling, marketeering, and 'media' industry.

    I'm only talking typical Rank & File US-Democrat-types, as I perceive them now-a-days IRL.


    What makes pvn's perception of Libertarian-type-ism any different than Shame Trolly !!!1!'s perception of US-Democrat-ism ??
    05-04-2014 , 08:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pvn
    There's nothing libertarian about not having a war on drugs, not spying on your own citizens and lying about it to congress with no ramifications, nothing libertarian about not assassinating your own citizens without due process.

    What does the word mean to you, exactly?
    Is there anything libertarian about child labor, sexual harassment and slavery though?
    05-04-2014 , 08:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pvn
    There's nothing libertarian about not having a war on drugs, not spying on your own citizens and lying about it to congress with no ramifications, nothing libertarian about not assassinating your own citizens without due process.
    To clarify, there's nothing uniquely Libertarian about any of those things. It's not some sort of win for team Libertarian when some cop shoots a kid. It was statist liberals pushing for things like Miranda rights, not lolLibertarians. Indeed, the internet Libertarians here were some of the strongest supporters of Team Zimmerman when a voluntaryist dispute resolution provider shot down a kid. And of course, the privatized prison industry is one of the biggest lobbying groups for TWoD.

    In the Ron Paul flavor of Neo-Confederate Libertarianism, for example, there's no reason states couldn't enforce a War on Drugs or spying or any of these AIDSy things on a statewide basis.




    Going back to the First Rule of Libertarianism, it is important to note that while we can't talk about what Libertarianism is, we can always talk about what Libertarianism is not. It won't be like the cartel-run parts of Mexico for example. It won't be at all like Somalia, the tribal regions of Afghanistan, the Wild West, colonial America, or any of the stateless societies that exist or have ever existed. In fact, it's just absurd on its face when some statist tries to compare it in any way to anything that has existed. I can't say what it will be like, but it won't be at all like any of those things.

    Last edited by The REAL Trolly; 05-04-2014 at 08:56 PM.
    05-04-2014 , 08:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
    FYP. And let me clarify.

    I'm not talking necessarily about Obamaman, or currently elected US Democrats, or those historically elected, or candidates for major office, or professional staffers, volunteers, voting or registered members, supporters, fans, or the captive polling, marketeering, and 'media' industry.

    I'm only talking typical Rank & File US-Democrat-types, as I perceive them now-a-days IRL.


    What makes pvn's perception of Libertarian-type-ism any different than Shame Trolly !!!1!'s perception of US-Democrat-ism ??


    What the jesus **** are you talking about, dude? How does D, M, W, L, S or C fit into ANY "perception of libertarianism"???

    Let me rephrase for you since you seem to be having trouble. You want to LOL at "all things libertarian type". OK, tell us what's LOL-worthy about people smoking weed if they want to without armed thugs shooting them or kidnapping them and locking them in cages?

    What's LOL-worthy about opposing the idea of assassinating US citizens without due process?

    What's LOL-worthy about opposing the bulk survelliance state?

    Please, you seem to be having all the yuks, let us in on the joke.
    05-04-2014 , 09:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kerowo
    Is there anything libertarian about child labor, sexual harassment and slavery though?
    not particularly
    not particularly
    no

    this is really the dumbest gotcha ever. Without child labor, humans would still be living in caves, there never would have been any accumulation of capital. I suppose you just want poor subsistence farming families to stay that way forever?

    Sexual harrassment isn't a libertarian problem. Non-libertarians seem to have absolutely no problem engaging in it.

    Slavery likewise isn't a libertarian problem. Seems pretty obvious if you are even the slightest bit intellectually honest but we've seen your track record so we know this sort of bottom-scrapping flimflammery is all you have to work with.
    05-04-2014 , 09:56 PM
    Keep shining on PVN!
    05-04-2014 , 10:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pvn
    this is really the dumbest gotcha ever. Without child labor, humans would still be living in caves, there never would have been any accumulation of capital. I suppose you just want poor subsistence farming families to stay that way forever?
    Now there's a twist I didn't expect.
    05-04-2014 , 11:48 PM
    If the qualification for being a libertarian-type thing is being unique to libertarians, then there's no such thing.

    Anyway, being libertarian really just boils down to wanting to minimize government. Anything more than that is just window dressing.
    05-05-2014 , 03:10 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pvn
    ... How does D, M, W, L, S or C fit into ANY "perception of X-type"???... You want to LOL at "all things X-type"...

    what's LOL-worthy about people smoking weed...?
    What's LOL-worthy about opposing the... assassinating US citizens...?
    What's LOL-worthy about opposing the bulk survelliance state?...
    Dude, I thought you were getting it... but now you're going backwards.

    You assigned X='Libertarian' and think you're making some profound point. But I can assign X='Rank&File US Democrat' and get the same exact results. Ditto with X='Organized Crime'. The not-so-profound points you should be taking away here are...
    • Being against something obviously bad (ex: government assassinations without due process) isn't a 'Libertarian Ideal', any more than it's a 'US Democrat Ideal', or a 'Street Gang Ideal'.

      No 'Ideal' gets any credit for being on the right side of obvious. Everyone deserves a hearty round of LOLs if they trumpet being on the right side of obvious as their 'Ideal's best feature.

    • Nobody cares about how Libertarian-type-ism is exactly the same as everything else. What people wanna talk about is how Libertarian-type-ism is different. Again... it really is different.

    • LOL dude, the 'War on Drugs' angle works really bad for the Libertarian-types.

      It has already been pointed out that the L.Ron 'Statist'-rights flavor of Libertarian-type-ism, arguably the most popular flavor, is all cool with locking stoners in the ZOMG RAPE CAGES. They only care about counting how many points the ZOMG MEN WITH GUNS stinkin' badges have.
    05-05-2014 , 09:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
    Dude, I thought you were getting it... but now you're going backwards.

    You assigned X='Libertarian' and think you're making some profound point.
    Uh, dude. That's like the exact premise of this entire thread. Have a little self-awareness.

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    But I can assign X='Rank&File US Democrat' and get the same exact results. Ditto with X='Organized Crime'. The not-so-profound points you should be taking away here are...
    Right, so rank and file US democrats are getting all of their good ideas.... from libertarians. LOL indeed. Game, set match, thanks MD.

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    [*] Nobody cares about how Libertarian-type-ism is exactly the same as everything else. What people wanna talk about is how Libertarian-type-ism is different. Again... it really is different.
    Well, yeah, right. You don't care because if we discuss this it becomes obvious that you're not interested in actually discussing good policies for the sake of improving things, you're instead interested in cheering for the right team and policies are just a means for you to get the "correct" team across the finish line.


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    [*] LOL dude, the 'War on Drugs' angle works really bad for the Libertarian-types.

    It has already been pointed out that the L.Ron 'Statist'-rights flavor of Libertarian-type-ism, arguably the most popular flavor, is all cool with locking stoners in the ZOMG RAPE CAGES. They only care about counting how many points the ZOMG MEN WITH GUNS stinkin' badges have.[/list]
    uh huh, and now we're into full reality-distortion mode. Nice talking with you, as always.
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