I stop posting in unchained to avoid tilt.

(Don't like the polemic "counterpunch" at all, despite seeing nothing wrong in that specific part you quoted. I've read a few articles and think they prefer the Ahh's and Ohh's over relevant facts and backgrounds. Ofc the opposition unites ALL forces, inclusing the extremes, they have no other choice at this point)

yep, just thought it was A interesting view on the situation. makes you think

I've finally found some time to check it out. Bookmarked. Thanks for the links.

Lol, out of the three opposition leaders two have Jewish background: Klitschko and Yatsenyuk. And the third one, Tyagnybok, is very often attacked by Russian so called anti-fascists for allegedly being Jewish too. And our ex-prime minister who Yanukovich got imprisoned is partly Jewish as well. There's no antisemitism mixed to the opposition rhetorics, get real. I have no problem with peoples ethnicity. And most people in Ukraine either. They just want the criminals like Yanukovich and his lot to GTFO, that's all.

Nazi and National Socialist correlate like Commy and Communist, that was the point. Dude, my grandfather indeed was killed in the war by Germans likely. But I don't hate Germans for that. It was the war, people kill and die in wars. At least they didn't touch any civilians in my family. Most Russians don't hate Germans either these days.

I like russians a lot, they are my favourite immigrants in germany, and make up for 100% of my non-german close firends atm (as ******ed as it obv sounds, nastrovje!).
Though, I hate Putin, and am pro opposition in Ukraine, as every halfway intelligent and informed person is, imfo.


I, first of all, decided to stop posting about politics in a mainly american internetforum, because:



since i don't have **** else to do, I might change this stance in a while.

And for Christ's sake don't post some BS from noname sources. This one is ok: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ovych-election

Wonder if we'd just see West Ukraine and East Ukraine.

http://www.dailydot.com/news/ukraine...in-revolution/






The situation has escalated in the last couple days.

Yanukovych is suppose to give a speech from Russia today.

Russian armed forces started occupying Crimea.

None of America's business. It's a complicated country with a complicated history.

Last thing the world needs is the United States of idiocracy getting involved in, and exacerbating, yet another conflict.

lol

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was a international treaty signed on February, 5, 1994, in Budapest between Ukraine, USA, Russia, and Great Britain

Russia, USA, and Great Britian have promised
(1) to respect Ukrainian independence and sovreignty within her borders;
(2) to protect Ukraine from outer aggression and not to conduct aggression toward Ukraine;
(3) not to put economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence her politics

Obama is about to hold a press conference on Ukraine.

Edit: Real short speech. He did confirm that there are Russian troops in Ukraine(Crimea) and warned Russia against any further intervention.

Recent information about situation in Ukraine here (in many languages):

http://blogs.pravda.com.ua/authors/v...5310eb628e746/

You gotta love drooling euro/asian ******s insulting each other for being dumb Americans. Kudos, idiots.

they are there since 1782, get your facts straight.

I am probably in a minority here, but I find myself supporting the Russians. The thugs who have taken over government in Kiev are fundamentally neo-Nazis. We only seem to supporting such thugs because they are opposed to Russia -- this cannot be a good reason.

Russia has gotten control of Crimea and will in due course take Eastern Ukraine. Russia should in due course capture the thugs who have taken over Ukraine. Once Russia has restored order in Ukraine and has conducted swift justice against the neo-Nazi murderous 'government' of Ukraine, she should do the right thing and allow for the return of Ukraine's rightfully elected President who is currently in Russia.

We in the West should stay out of this. It is none of our business. If we intervene, it will be world war 3, since the Russians will not move.

Yeah, the militaristic authoritarian police state bitching about facist nazi boogiemen. I guess we should give props for not just blaming terrorists. Terrorists jumped the shark? Facists, the new terrorists?

But just be quiet, cause it's no of yo bizness. And particularly, don't ask for any proof of nazis or facists, please.

Yeah lets reinstall the one true king. crimea river bro

Wasn't "let's not intervene" the plan west had when Germany started misbehaving in the beginning of WW2?
As someone living in ex-soviet country I need to stress that Russia is screaming "Nazis!" at everything they dislike. So take it with a grain of salt.
I also think that the fact that Russia Today anchor Abby Martin spoke up against Russia speaks volumes on "who's wrong". I also like the fact that she started with "even though I work here...". Seems like even news anchors in Russia Today understand that most of the "news" they produce are propaganda.
Also how is "good guy Russia" supposed to keep nazis under control in Ukraine when it struggles to keep them under control even in Russia? Search youtube for " Horrific Documentary on Russian Neo Nazis" (I have tablet and a bit of a problem with links on youtube).

The best solution is for the puppet government to let Crimea and Eastern Ukraine go and resume full diplomacy between the USA and Russia. The Western Ukrainians should be allowed to have some autonomy.

Abby is an excellent RT journalist. The key thing is that she admitted she does not know much of the situation.

Munich Agreement vol 2?

Not knowing much about the situation is subjective. I can claim to not know much about something and yet know more than a person that claims to know a lot about the same thing.