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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I'm not sure why it matters and I never claimed it was a filmed segment. It's worse as a filmed segment, imo. And affirmative examples (aka showing racism exist) aren't equivalent to negative examples. Because logic and all.
And I don't care that it makes the mongidigs of the world rage more. There are no examples that wouldn't make them rage more because they start from the premise of 'racism doesn't exist and things are so much better for the black person than they were 50 years ago'. If you refuse to make any argument that will enrage the mongidigs of the world - you're part of the problem. Because they've been making the same arguments for hundreds of years.
The point of the anecdote is to show the lazily ignorant but still generally well meaning (aka, the majority of people) that black people still face discrimination every single day. And while lots of the individual examples might seem trivial it would clearly get exhausting over time.
Edit: And to be clear - it wasn't even an anecdote. Stewart was saying it happens all the time when they do these things. He wasn't describing a one-off thing that happened.
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Originally Posted by 5ive
jjshabado,
Lol, oops, somehow I missed your first reply... I might have to reframe everything.
Ok, uh, this makes more sense now.
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I'm not sure why it matters and I never claimed it was a filmed segment. It's worse as a filmed segment, imo. And affirmative examples (aka showing racism exist) aren't equivalent to negative examples. Because logic and all.
I agree, but what I wanted to convey was a nebulous anecdote
isn't an affirmative example. Obviously this is subjective.
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And I don't care that it makes the mongidigs of the world rage more. There are no examples that wouldn't make them rage more because they start from the premise of 'racism doesn't exist and things are so much better for the black person than they were 50 years ago'. If you refuse to make any argument that will enrage the mongidigs of the world - you're part of the problem. Because they've been making the same arguments for hundreds of years.
Yeah when I said 'rage' I meant like 'righteously indignant' as opposed to rustled jimmies. So 'rage' was probably a poor choice. But I want the jimmies rustled and I don't think that particular anecdote gets the job done; too much room for hand-waving.
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The point of the anecdote is to show the lazily ignorant but still generally well meaning (aka, the majority of people) that black people still face discrimination every single day. And while lots of the individual examples might seem trivial it would clearly get exhausting over time.
I don't think they're trivial, that's the point. That's why I thought you were referencing something else, that they did a hidden camera expose thing. There's a difference between an event being trivial and an anecdote about that event being trivial, if that makes any sense.
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Edit: And to be clear - it wasn't even an anecdote. Stewart was saying it happens all the time when they do these things. He wasn't describing a one-off thing that happened.
Here's the transcript:
Quick story. So we live in New York City, a liberal bastion. (scattered audience cheering) Let me finish. (audience laughter) Recently, we sent a correspondent and a producer to a building in this liberal bastion, where we were going to tape an interview. The producer — white — dressed in what can only be described as homeless elf attire, and a pretty strong 5-o'clock-from-the-previous-week shadow, strode confidently into the building preceding our humble correspondent — a gentleman of color — dressed resplendently in a tailored suit. Who do you think was stopped? Let me give you a hint: the black guy.
And that **** happens all the time. All the time. Race is there, and it is a constant. You're tired of hearing about it? Imagine how ****ing exhausting it is living it.
Like, what kind of building, and who stopped him, and for what? It's weak storytelling imo but, eh, maybe I'm crazy and it does work.
Here's the point: I'm coming from the perspective of being the white guy with a black friend/associate in these scenarios, and I have some tremendous stories of ridiculous racism. If somebody said, "pick the 'best' one," it doesn't trivialize the others, it just means there are clearly better examples than others when you're trying to make a point.