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Old 05-09-2017, 12:04 PM   #926
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He's probably worried that taking a knee will get him arrested in Trump's America.

His protest was successful. It brought attention to the issue. The people who took umbrage are the ones who thought there was no issue to begin with.

The reason he's not picked up yet is they just got done with the draft. Teams are still trying to see what they need. And he's just not that great of a QB.

Quality human being though.
I'd be surprised if a team picks him up any time soon. Why go through the head ache just to sign him as a back up. It will take an injury for him to be considered or he'll need to lower his asking price significantly.

The outrage comes from his disrespecting the flag mostly.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:26 PM   #927
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Little skill plus little brain power does not make for a worthy pick up.

I hope his silly little stunt was worth destroying his career. Maybe he can start blogging for Daily Kos and live off of the tips.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:45 PM   #928
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The Kaep forthyniess always makes me chuckle. Why the **** do any of you idiots care?
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:18 AM   #929
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I support his right to say what he wants, and agree that there are major issues to discuss, but his latest comment about the "slave patrol" is idiotic and counter productive.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:41 PM   #930
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is "counter productive" similar to uppity?
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:17 PM   #931
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is "counter productive" similar to uppity?
No, it is not. I don't think Kaep is uppity at all. I have consistently said in this thread that i agree with his overall message. I even agree with his right to take the knee. I want more athletes to stand up, or take a knee, for what is right.

But hyperbole is counter productive, and equating the current police force to a "slave patrol" is hyperbole. And it's counter productive because now a large portion of the population will tune out of the entire message because of this part of the message. Now the right-wingers can completely ignore the actual problem and instead focus on this one comment. And the middle will listen to that. So he's not actually converting anyone who is not already converted.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:27 PM   #932
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No, it is not. I don't think Kaep is uppity at all. I have consistently said in this thread that i agree with his overall message. I even agree with his right to take the knee. I want more athletes to stand up, or take a knee, for what is right.

But hyperbole is counter productive, and equating the current police force to a "slave patrol" is hyperbole. And it's counter productive because now a large portion of the population will tune out of the entire message because of this part of the message. Now the right-wingers can completely ignore the actual problem and instead focus on this one comment. And the middle will listen to that. So he's not actually converting anyone who is not already converted.
Is it actually hyperbole? The republican majorities look bent of criminalizing as many 'others' as possible and that means slavery.

and is Kaep already "tuned out" by such majorities. You can't lose what you don't have.


It is very productive to remind those in the know what is at stake and what people need to find out when they don't know.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:05 PM   #933
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Is it actually hyperbole? The republican majorities look bent of criminalizing as many 'others' as possible and that means slavery.
No it does not mean slavery. Doubling down on the hyperbole doesn't help your case any.

And you are minimizing the atrocities of slavery by equating the two.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:26 PM   #934
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No it does not mean slavery. Doubling down on the hyperbole doesn't help your case any.

And you are minimizing the atrocities of slavery by equating the two.
I don't have or need to have a case. I merely have civics. And so you are mistaken, I have not minimized anything- especially the people existing today as slaves or the people at risk of becoming enslaved by a system designed to enslave.

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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:36 PM   #935
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hahahahahha just here for spanks/kaepernick lols i mean my god
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:38 PM   #936
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hahahahahha just here for spanks/kaepernick lols i mean my god
So you have nothing. At least peter had a weak appeal to emotion.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:52 PM   #937
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and you have an argument that slavery is the same thing as when someone is put in jail for a crime
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:06 PM   #938
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and you have an argument that slavery is the same thing as when someone is put in jail for a crime
I haven't made any arguments like that and that's not what it says.

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either slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
Clearly slavery is a distinct punishment which differs from merely containing someone in a cage.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:19 PM   #939
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I haven't made any arguments like that and that's not what it says.
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criminalizing as many 'others' as possible and that means slavery.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:38 PM   #940
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and you have an argument that slavery is the same thing as when someone is put in jail for a crime
Clearly I did not mention jail or incarceration in the posts you quoted, so I could not have made the argument which you now persist to accuse me of.

So I was mistaken that you got nothing, you have what you invented.

Meanwhile, Slavery is a viable consequence for crime, So if someone is criminalized by republicans making laws that actual means they maybe enslaved- as is clearly intended by the words of the USC. So criminalization does in fact mean slavery, that is not all it means, nor is it what it always means. Hope that helps.
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Old 06-21-2017, 05:08 AM   #941
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No, it is not. I don't think Kaep is uppity at all. I have consistently said in this thread that i agree with his overall message. I even agree with his right to take the knee. I want more athletes to stand up, or take a knee, for what is right.

But hyperbole is counter productive, and equating the current police force to a "slave patrol" is hyperbole. And it's counter productive because now a large portion of the population will tune out of the entire message because of this part of the message. Now the right-wingers can completely ignore the actual problem and instead focus on this one comment. And the middle will listen to that. So he's not actually converting anyone who is not already converted.
ya see, I just dont think its hyperbole or counter productive or - and you didnt say this - needlessly inflammatory. the pig cop socks was more along those lines.

but in this example he was just trying to claim that police oppress the rights of the black ppl and keep them down.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:19 PM   #942
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I wonder if he actually wants to play in the NFL anymore.

I'm sure NFL owners love when their back up QBs are in the spot light and possibly hurt their bottom line.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:41 PM   #943
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and you have an argument that slavery is the same thing as when someone is put in jail for a crime
Alot of the time it is. Working for the wages prisoners do is basically slave labor.
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:05 PM   #944
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Alot of the time it is. Working for the wages prisoners do is basically slave labor.
Except that prisoners committed crimes and slaves didn't.

But perhaps you want to reward murderers and rapists? Maybe give them a nice house and car and then they'll be good people again?

Prisoners shouldn't get paid at all. They should bring back the chain gangs and public stocks.

They should also revise the justice system so that blacks don't get reamed for crimes that whites get off from. All crimes should be treated equally regardless of color.
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:37 PM   #945
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Except that prisoners committed crimes and slaves didn't.

But perhaps you want to reward murderers and rapists? Maybe give them a nice house and car and then they'll be good people again?

Prisoners shouldn't get paid at all. They should bring back the chain gangs and public stocks.

They should also revise the justice system so that blacks don't get reamed for crimes that whites get off from. All crimes should be treated equally regardless of color.
No I don't want to reward murderers and rapists. I'm against the death penalty but only because they could be innocent. In cases where there is no doubt I'm fine with the execution of a murderer, armed robber or rapist. I just don't think it's right for nonviolent offenders to be used by the govt for slave labor.
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:51 PM   #946
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No I don't want to reward murderers and rapists. I'm against the death penalty but only because they could be innocent. In cases where there is no doubt I'm fine with the execution of a murderer, armed robber or rapist. I just don't think it's right for nonviolent offenders to be used by the govt for slave labor.
then dont commit a crime
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:54 PM   #947
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I wonder if he actually wants to play in the NFL anymore.

I'm sure NFL owners love when their back up QBs are in the spot light and possibly hurt their bottom line.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Kap anticipated the **** storm of that magnitude when he decided to kneel for the anthem.
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:58 PM   #948
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then dont commit a crime
Don't be a slaver.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:51 PM   #949
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No I don't want to reward murderers and rapists. I'm against the death penalty but only because they could be innocent. In cases where there is no doubt I'm fine with the execution of a murderer, armed robber or rapist. I just don't think it's right for nonviolent offenders to be used by the govt for slave labor.
Fair enough. I'm also against the death penalty but only bc innocents are getting executed.

I can agree about nonviolent offenders. But i don't want to pay them. Instead, i'd prefer to reduce their sentence by one day for each day they work.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:02 PM   #950
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In which Ol' Zwarte Piet's rips the mask clear off and throws it in the bonfire before trying to put it back on in the last paragraph.


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Except that prisoners committed crimes and slaves didn't.

But perhaps you want to reward murderers and rapists? Maybe give them a nice house and car and then they'll be good people again?

Prisoners shouldn't get paid at all. They should bring back the chain gangs and public stocks.

They should also revise the justice system so that blacks don't get reamed for crimes that whites get off from. All crimes should be treated equally regardless of color.
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