And... that's having that conversation.

Maybe that NYTimes linkee works for you now. Anyways... the reason the segregationists and their successors sustain this new normal redefinition is it short circuits talking about race. It works this way: if 'racism' means only person animus, then if nobody has racial animus, there isn't any racism... there's no need to change structurally because it's only a few bad apples with evil in their hearts. It's an implicit pseudo-argument for the status quo.

You've identified a significant demographic that has been short circuited in this manner. Bravo. You're MMQBing IRL activists like a demon. Now... what's your suggestion for better tactics to do 'therapy' on this demographic?

I'd suggest engaging these folks when they spew "why do they riot when the cop's black". I'd suggest pointing out that folks like M.King didn't mean personal animus when they used the r-word... that the issue is why the robocops are ordered to riot with all the tanks and chemicals... not trying to 'grok' what's in the 'secret inner heart' of each of those individual robocops. What I wouldn't suggest is pandering to, and legitimizing, this 'secret inner heart' crap in any way, shape, or form. That shiz needs to be confronted directly.

Cliffs notes: Now that you've got their attention, I'd suggest having a focused conversation with this particular demographic, a conversation about how this 'secret inner heart' crap is a buncha crap.

What do you suggest tactically instead, and why? Can you point to any studies that backup your tactical hunches?

That's pretty much what I've suspected all along, it's an attention getting "shock" tactic to draw attention to the cause, and an effective one. There are also plenty who are thinking about it on a purely emotional level and actually do think most of the shootings were derived out of racial animus. It's the same with rioting and burning down stores, they're part rage and part because it gets more attention than peaceful protest. FWIW, every conversation I have with friends and family on this topic I bring up police harrasment, DWB, etc., as well as all those systemic variables, the drug war, prison pipeline, forced labor.

So those divisive tactics surely do work to get attention, start conversations and that's a good thing, so long as there is someone there to take both sides, but I'm sure you see the tightrope walk that is. Ramping up divisive rhetoric, attacking the police personally, verbally and sometimes physically, destroying property, polarizing us vs them tactics bring the issues to the forefront, but they also backfire when they turn off otherwise reasonable people, pushing them to the pro-cop side, and we know who they're voting for.

AFAIK the pro athlete's protesting haven't been saying that "most of the shootings were derived out of racial animus". They've been saying something completely different. So I don't think it's at all fair to be criticizing their tactic of attention using "'shock' tactics to draw attention... when they aren't doing that.

Nobody is organizing violent protests. Any burning down is pure rage. It's absurd, and conspiritartical, to imagine otherwise.

But, as I said, there's always been an organized opposition to the civil rights struggle. It doesn't matter how many, even if any, are actually using 'shock' tactics to drive attention. Such incidents, even if they need to be manufactured, will end up all over the MSM. There's a lotta tweeters out there, and some tweet the darndest things. If there is any burning down, conspiritartical musings about organized violent protests will be all over the MSM. Making that happen is just some peeps jobs. That's the world we live in.

So, if you're a pro athlete, and you wanna do a little non-violent, silent, non-disruptive protesting you gotta know this: No matter what you say, no matter what you do... the MSM is going to tar you with using 'shock' tactics to draw attention (even though you aren't), and the MSM is going to tar you with inciting this burning down (even though that's LOL).

That's the tactical situation these protesting pro athletes are facing. You are relentlessly MMQBing their tactics. What do you suggest they do better to step up their game ??

many years ago i matched the description of a mugger and was detained/ searched by police. i was very happy that we have protections in the law for the suspect.

within a minute, they realized i wasn't the guy, but i could tell they thought i was their guy at first and i do see that if i was a different race in a different city that things may not have wound up so pleasant for me.

I think Kaep's doing great, and I support him. He had a mistep with the pig socks, though I'm sure you could spin it. As I mentioned before, I think he should bring up the prison labor issue. It's system related, no doubt about that, and it gives the cops supporters a chance to breath.

Will these guys please think of the pain they're causing our high school veterans to feel, making them to lash out?

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It is my position that running from the police in a high crime area may result in being shot by the police!

Sometimes bad guys kill bad guys.

Sometimes good guys make mistakes and kill bad guys.

Sight me a case were a cop shot somebody who A) didn't have a criminal record. B) was obeying the officers commands. C) was not previously or currently involved in committing a criminal act.

Do you see the common denominator?

How about the guy that was sitting next to an autistic man and had his hands in the air?

Michael Slager goes on trial this month for murdering Walter Scott. Do you think he should be convicted?

Very good. Now! statistically how often does that happen?

In America those things are irrelevant, the law says that police can only kill when in immediate danger and none of those place an officer in immediate danger. If you can't support that then kindly get the f*ck out of my country and go to the Philippines where they enjoy letting people be murdered without a trial and then blame the victim of the murder.

Change the goal posts much POS? Why is a police record equivalent to a death sentence in your world?

Just shocking that civil rights could be used to protect the innocent.

I here you're not quite the authority anymore so Im gonna let you slide ths time.

Bitter much? Lol!!

To many?

You didn't answer my question!

Here is another question for you. Were is the fine line between not being in "immediate danger" and being in "immediate danger"?

How many have people have been hurt or killed since BLM has begun during protests/riots? Too many?

Why don't you go to you tube and watch videos of police getting shot when they pull over someone. Within a split second it happens.

After you have done your homework you come back and apologize!

Not sure why you think anyone saying 'cops shouldn't shoot people' would be okay with any violence during protesting/riots?

Like, your response here shows how you are somehow twisting reality in your head to justify the fact that you're fine with 'a few people' being shot and killed.

What does my being a mod or not have to do with you answering a question? I know you're a racist *******, but that doesn't mean you have to be afraid to answer a question does it?

I don't apologize to non patriots.

You need to apologize to the police. You need to stop supporting criminals

I will never apologize for the Constitution and its checks on the overwhelming state violence that a statist such as yourself want inflict on the American people. Apologize to the Constitution if you want to apologize to something.

I'm not racist. I judge people on an individual basis and based on their actions not the color of their skin.

Liberals abuse this term because they are insecure. They fear that they will be accused of racism so they lash out at others.this is why liberals should never be put into positions of authority. Obama's appology tour with Muslims was based on insecurity. Your so afraid of what people think of you. This is why I would never vote for a liberal. They assend to high places but then abuse their authority. Fortunately, they eventually get knocked off their high pedastil.