with 25 million traffic stops per year it is highly unlikely there would ever be 0 cop-shooting-black-guy scenarios.

How many cop shooting black guy scenarios are acceptable to you?

Every shooting and death is heartbreaking.

It's not a question of acceptable, it's a question of inevitable given that many stops and given the number of highly intense situations the police are put into either protecting themselves or somebody else.

The police have never been under the spotlight or under more scrutiny as they are today. The police are well aware of this. I can't imagine they would want to put themselves into situations were their careers and possiibly their lives might be put on the line simply for the sake of racism. This being said, the police shootings continue. At some point, you have to consider that this is an inevitable result based on the number of stops and the amount of criminal activity that exists and not necessarily racism.

I think there have definately been situations were the police wrongly escalated things or acted innapropriately. I think better training should always be a top priority. I disagree, however, with the demonization of police and the use of the race card.

Fair enough

obviously no death is acceptable. but it does happen. however if you look at the statistics of when it does happen, there is nothing there that supports kaeprnicks protest of "america oppresses black people."

Average wealth discrepancies, employment discrimination, disproportionate stops, disproportionate arrests, government attempting to limit their political rights via once removed characteristics, lack of representation in government and in media, etc.

Average wealth discrepancies - how is this evidence of oppression? what is america doing to keep blacks with a low average wealth? - i think its difficult for anyone in the lower class, anyone in the ghetto to rise up and out. being black makes this harder why?

employment discrimination - there are laws against this. or maybe your talking about affirmative action which potentially discriminates against more qualified NON minorities?

disproportionate stops
disproportionate arrests - 40% of crime is committed by black americans so this would make sense.. what is america doing to cause that?

government attempting to limit their political rights via once removed characteristics - not sure what this means

lack of representation in government and in media - lack of representation? meaning other black americans in politics? we have a black president. there are plenty of other black politicans and media figures. not sure why it is insinuated that because there is a disproportionate amount of black members that its a result of oppression.

there is a disproportionate amount of white guys, or short guys in the NBA/NFL. is it because they are being oppressed? Are black americans given special privilege/advantage by the government over whites to allow them better success in these leagues?

--- to understand kaepnicks message im trying to look at america and see exactly where the scales are tilted against blacks or minorities. i can see how you could argue that things are tilted in a negative way toward people of lower economic class. but i havent seen anything that is directly discriminatory vs blacks.

Just an unflinching.

Just forget it man, ok. You're right. Everything that has been presented here affects everyone exactly the same. Congrats. Call up the NFL, call up Kaep, let em know that racism and discrimination is over. The good guys won. We can all pat ourselves on the back now and not ever have to think about it again.

Here's another LOLtastical thingee. The rightists are turning themselves into pretzels with their own bitterness.

Above, Breitbart argues against the legal right of owners to get to pick-n-choose by content when censoring their employees (!!!1!), and highlighting that relatively poorer workers are disproportionately harmed by the owners when they exercise their legal rights of censorship (111!1).

I guess we should start saying the Ghost of Comrade Breitbart !!!1!.

hey mac, has there ever been oppression of black people in America? If so, when was the last time it happened? I mean, I'm just trying to get a feel for where that bar is according to you.

It sounds like maybe you think the battle for civil rights happened in the distant past, and then it was won (or lost, I suppose, depending on your perspective). Now that we have full equality and equal opportunity, there's really nothing left for those people to be complaining about. Is that about right?

im not saying there is no discrimination or racism left in the american people. I'm saying calling america a racist country or that america oppresses black people is completely out of line. i was looking for evidence from the people who are pro his protest that justified such claims.

i could see an argument that before lets say the civil rights act in 64 that black americans would have a significantly more difficult time moving up in america. now with laws that make discrimination illegal and with such a politically correct and accepting society that the case for the opposite would be very difficult to make. or again enough so to justify the meaning behind his protest. when a black man fails or is arrested/shot, why is it automatically racist? we are now hyper sensitive to anything involving a minority.

Maybe there's some semantic distinction here, but I don't see how there sentences are not directly contradictory. I mean, "America" is a country and a concept, and it can't really "do" or "think" anything as an independent entity.

So I don't think anybody says "America oppresses black people" without meaning "Black people are oppressed in America" which you already conceded.

Racial bias in policing is pretty well established at this point. Under similar circumstances, black people are significantly more likely to be handcuffed, and more likely to have a gun drawn on them compared to white people.

A much higher percent of blacks killed by police are unarmed compared to whites.

Racial profiling happens every day. "Driving while black" is really a thing. Even if these are not official government policies, the effect of these practices obviously qualifies as oppression.

There's even been demonstrations of racial discrimination with AirBnb hosts.

I guess I'm not clear on what you think Kaepernick's message is about and why his protest is "completely out of line".

Every police force in the US oppresses blacks ? Highly doubtful in Charlotte, Dallas, and Baltimore among others. Bad cops? Sure. Police department policy being oppressive ? Almost certainly not in at least the cities I mentioned and probably not in many, many more.

I literally said "Even if these are not official government policies..."

It's the practice and the impact that matters in people's lives, not whether there's a policy explicitly written down somewhere.

kaepernick said he wouldn't stand for a country that oppresses black people. so im just going off what he was saying.

saying some americans are still racist does not equal "america is racist" 1 person doesnt represent an entire country.


- a quick google search on this, nij.gov and a few universities offer studies on this where for instance in traffic stops, black drivers are pulled over more. one study showed that while they were pulled over more, white drivers were searched more. in addition the studies are unclear on if the reason is because they are black, or for other reasons such as, differences in offensives, difference in area they are driving(higher crime areas), or differences in driving patterns. " As a result, social scientists now disregard comparisons to the census for assessing racial bias"



perhaps our definitions of oppression are different. to me when i hear that america is oppressing black people, or the country of america is racist, it makes me think that you cannot lead a normal life if your black. when in fact, you have every legal right and opportunity that everyone else does. socially, sure theres always going to be racist people, we are at the point now where it is such a small relative number that it has no affect on the life you can lead if your a minority.

Wat in the wat...

Flesh this out more please.

There's no 'we' here homeboy, plz don't forget that.

How are you able to turn on on a computer?

There have been numerous examples ITT alone.

LOL, ok, I think we're about done here. Maybe if you google a little harder you'll find and read the Justice Department report on the Ferguson Police Department, or even just a summary of the findings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzsE5heUuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzsE5heUuA

This is the type of behavior that perpetuates the negative stereotype for black people. Since this is reported as a peaceful protest and endorsed by BLM and the President it is seen as a legitimate way to get the message out. don't you think it is ironic that after 8 years under a black President we are again at a boiling point of race relations?

The argument that you are being oppressed because of color is only flaming the racist fire. If instead you protested against income inequality and a rigged system against the poor, you would have people of all colors coming to join your cause.

Hmmm lets see what other videos are on this youtube page.

"The Shocking Truth About Hillary's October Surprise"

Oh here's a good one.

"10 Signs You're a Basic Bitch in 2016"

Sounds legit guys.

Oooooooo, intrigue

"Will Julian Assange be Assassinated?"

My guess? Signs point to yes.

And what must be the most intriguing video on the internet.

"21-Year-Old Girl Lives as a Baby"

Hard hitting journalism at its finest ladies and gents.

I've been reading several university studies on racial
Bias in police and the results are that there is No connection. Ferguson doesn't represent America and one corrupt police department does no equal an entire country oppressing blacks.

In your opinion does being a black member of the middle class put you at a significant disadvantage over a white American? And if so it's because of police profiling?

JFC this guy.

Refuses to read the links contained within http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...q-amp-1620048/

Then says he is "reading several university studies on racial Bias in police" and fails to cite even one of them.

God damn.

Bahahahaha, Hey Wil, you got a Breitbart brother in arms with Mongidig here.

What a bunch of stupid ****ing *******s.

Yeah, I gave up. Ferguson's just one corrupt police department. No reason at all to think it goes any further than that.

So America oppresses black people thru racial bias in the police force and laws that require everyone to present a photo Id to vote. Was curious what evidence people who are for his protest would cite. Must be awful to be a black American