The marriage age disparity stats don't support that view. The age gap is larger in these countries than the west, but not hugely so - several years (On average). That's not to say those predatory marriages don't occur - they do, and plenty of them - but most cases are similarly aged. Most of the times, people marry off their sons to suitable virgin nieces or similar.

They're usually arranged to keep it in the family; women are kept as chattel and married off to someone close, regardless of their wishes. The lives of Muslims women are horrific; they have no real social freedom, belonging to father until they're married; they have no sexual freedom, Islam requires them to submit to all of their husband's desires (for them, this is the female equivalent of noble jihad, and how women get into heaven); they have no religious freedom, being outcast from the family and even honor killed if they choose to leave Islam; they have no limited choices over their own household and who they can have over as a friend (Islam requires them to submit to their husband's choices over the household and who's allowed to enter), they have to submit to a (supposed to be light) beating if he deems it appropriate, and in some countries [affecting women in the hundreds of millions], they cannot even leave the house without a male relative escort.

The issue like pedophilia in Islam is that Muhammed married a first cousin, therefore it cannot be wrong without criticizing Muhammed, something it's very taboo to do.

It's such a horrific religion. Churchill got it said 100 years ago when he said slavery would never be extinguished until Islam ceased to be a major religion among men. jalfrezi loves it though.

Going through this report, it looks like the #1 reason for decreased consanguinity is female college education as I suspected which correlates with decreased birth rates.

Instead of western government USA sending money overseas to help build mosques, there should be strings attached with aid money... forced female education metrics, or money going straight to legitimate school and university funding.

Women are a hugely civilizing social force. I would say their strong inclusion in social life in the European courts are one the reasons the west advanced so far in the 17th and 18th centuries and the ensuing Enlightenment. The salons of France for example were the hub of civilization, discourse and new ideas. Such things could never happen in Islam, with its misogyny, polygamy, rape and slave culture.

I would also say that the patriarchy and misogyny inherent in Islam - where women are second class citizens spiritually, legally, sexually, according to the holiest books and most of their interpretations and supporting texts - is one of the key reasons Islam never reformed (the other being that its leader was an evil piece of **** - almost the opposite of Jesus). So yes, I think the education and empowerment of women is key to reforming Islam. In fact, if you killed all the men, Islam would be a civilized religion in a single generation.

As Tolstoy said in a roundabout way, strong intelligent women have a deeply civilizing effect on hotheaded young men.
I would add you also have to be careful. There's a correlation/causation problem here. Less Islamic societies have a view of women which lets them be more free to get an education.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

I really do wonder how far TS would go if I left him alone for a week.

5ive, your link to Gish Gallop was very informative, thanks. It's nice to know that people are aware of TS's dishonest tactics.

TruthSlayer: How about addressing the behaviour of Christians in parts of the ME?

The mistake you repeatedly make is in ascribing problematic behaviour to Muslims alone:

Wrong again:

Lebanese child brides

"At the moment, religious tribunals handle all so-called personal status issues related to Lebanon’s 18 officially recognised sects, including setting the age of consent.

In Muslim communities, it is usually 18 for men and between 14 and 17 for women; for Christian sects, the age varies between 16 to 18 for men and 14 to 18 for women."

Would you like to make the same condemnation of Christianity? Or would you prefer to ascribe it to culture rather than religion?

So you're saying that Arabs are pedophiles? Racist.

I'm clearly asking him to redefine his "Islam is the only major religion where it's openly accepted." in whatever terms he wishes, including cultural if that's what he believes.

In any case, race and culture are separate identities, though with some overlap.

No, you're clearly saying that the race of people are pedophiles and their culture promotes pedophilia. Racist.

Desperate nonsense.

LOL,region that enforce Sharia law in Indonesia,only Aceh do that..Now, you're a thick skull man or plain stupid, I don't know..

Hahaha..You need guidance man to read it

I'm glad I have you know who on mute cause just the stuff quoted in the last page is enough to make my mind bleed. He doesn't even know what he thinks but BELIEVES its just the most logical obvious thing in the world. What he knows for fact in his heart, literally contradicts itself. Hilariously sad. I feel really bad and hope he learns to listen cause that is some really twisted ****. I bet the self hate within is incredible, its literally oozing out of every word he types.

His total absence of humour is the ultimate giveaway about what lies underneath.

I make a lot of jokes. A lot of what I post has people laughing. You're such a stuck up misanthrope however, they go right over your head.

5ive, huge thanks. This is a gift, as I'm about to demonstrate. Every time you stupid cucks challenge something I say, it just gives me the ability to educate more people with actual facts.

Taking a break from posting but I'd just like to end 2017 by pointing out what a dopey clown jalfrezi is. Apart from the logic being ridiculous, and not knowing what words mean, his own link proves my point about Islam being accepting of pedophilia like no other.
That's a hilarious beclowning. Thanks for the link, I'll add it to my list. More:

Note that Lebanon is very Christian, which moderates the Muslim population. But the increase in Syrian Muslims coming in is increasing marriage. Yet cuck jalfrezi claims that Muslim immigrants don't increase pedophilia. I could post far more, from every culture - large scale Muslim rape gangs like the one covered up by "let's be PC" vile leftists like jalfrezi, who gang raped and tortured thousands of teenage girls over a decade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rother...tation_scandal

But Islam isn't a problem. Like I said, all cultures have their pedophiles, but in Islam you have a unique combination of pedophilia being broadly accepted, a broad view of non-Muslims as rape-meat (Muhammed himself ordered hundreds of women and children taken as child sex slaves), and the view of women as being there to satisfy men, and not much else. The Cologne mass sex attacks by Muslims are another example of Muslims doing this in huge groups, indicating cultural acceptance (and also covered up by the government/media filled with vile people like jalfrezi, until the sheer scale and public anger made it impossible to cover up any longer).

Nothing to see here though. Islam doesn't have a problem with rape, and women!
Here are the facts which back up my position that Islam accepts and allows pedophilia like no other religion.

Global Islamic percentage of the population:



Global child marriage acceptance and prevalence (red is the worst):



The only reason Algeria adn Tunisia doesn't fit the pattern is because the French invaded it nearly 200 years ago (ironically, to stop the mass Muslim trade in child sex slaves, which occurred on such a grand scale it was depopulating part of Europe), and stamped out the practice over generations.

Let's post that cousin marriage graph again:



Notice any correlations between those three graphs? Hint: it's not race. Indonesia is a different race/ethnicity to Arabia.

The truth is you can't condemn child marriage or cousin marriage in Islam because the prophet - who is revered by all Muslims - was both a pedophile and incestuous (he married his cousin and adopted son's wife).

Jalfrezi, in his stupid Castro-and-Islam loving mind (they're both totalitarian, and leftist love totalitarians), thinks that the above doesn't mean that Muslims will be more likely to be pedophiles and cousin marriers. Thinks it doesn't make them more prone to socially accepting pedophilia. Thinks the 1000+ year history of child sex slaves in Islam - which has no parallel - doesn't mean anything. Thinks the mass rape and slave trading of non-Muslim children by ISIS - quoting the Koran - has nothing to do with Islam.

Here's more reading:

http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/co...of-girl-brides

Note how socially accepted it is that he feels comfortable doing it in the streets, and doesn't see what's wrong, because he had the parent's permission. That's all that's needed for child-rape in these cultures.

Thanks for questioning my statements, jalfrezi. Keep it up! The more you do the more I post evidence that Islam is just what I say it is - because all the evidence is on my side and none of it is on yours. You're a total ignoramus who apologizes for totalitarian regimes and views - Castro and Islam. No coincidence that you defend both.

Strawmanning yet again.

No one's denying that some parts of the Islamic world have horrible values, including child brides. What you should do if you have any semblance of integrity whatsoever, is to acknowledge that some parts of the Christian world do too (though not to the same extent).

Some chance of that from 2+2's resident xenophobe.


Great. See you in 2018.

I mean, I literally posted that above:
What are you not understanding? Islam is the only religion in which the religion itself condones and creates pedophilia, and makes it hard to argue against (because Muhammed is blameless and Muhammed married (and took great in joy in ****ing, if you read the hadith) a 9 year old. Islam is also the only religion with an inherent rape culture, going all the way to their holiest laws (it takes four male witnesses for a woman to bring a rape charge in the law that 75% of Muslims worldwide want!).

That's all I've ever said. It appears we are in agreement that Islam has a problem with enabling pedophilia? What a nice way to end the year.
You're not that lucky.

You posted this...

...which is an outright lie. What is it are you finding so hard to understand about such a simple thing?

That's a simple fact. It's fun watching you backtrack.

Note: the only major religion. Not the only cultural group.

This is a thread about what Muslims believe and how that affects what they do. Pedophilia being ok is part of what most Muslims believe, and part of the reason for that is directly coming from Islam - if the prophet ****ed a 9 year old, and enjoyed it, and the prophet is beyond criticism/revered even by moderates - then pedophilia is going to flourish far more in Islam than in other cultures. And you can see that perfectly well in the graph above. What I posted is a fact. Look at that graph of child marriages vs Islamic countries. Compare, say, Indonesia with the Philippines. That's not a coincidence - one is Muslim and one is Catholic despite similar poverty levels. The exact thing happens with cousin marriage - again, look at the graphs - because Muhammed married his cousin, it's far more accepted in the Muslim world, and harder to stamp out.

The fact that Christians in some parts of the ME are complicit with and condone the marriage of 14 year old girls is fine with you, and deserves no condemnation?

That says it all.

Regarding your newly-found horror of those disgusting Muslims marrying their own second or higher cousins, this from a week ago:

LOL

14 is very different to 9, which is what is allowed in most Muslim communities (your own link pointed that out). But yes of course, I'm against all child marriage. The issue however, as relates to this thread, is the extent to which religion informs and creates the view that pedophilia is acceptable. Christianity doesn't. Islam does, to a huge degree, via both Muhammed's child-rape and Islam's view of women.

I mean, you're just posting nonsense now. Everyone understands the flow of this discussion.
Here you are again with your desperate attempt to smear. Everyone sees through that at this stage. You're only helping me now.
I'm starting to think you're just stupid. That would explain a lot (the love of Castro, the overvaluing of your narrow experiences). The above is true, in a genetically diverse population as a one off. And talking purely about genetic diseases, and not stuff like IQ (which inbreeding does affect). The big issue is when it becomes a generation-after-generation cultural practice, Then it starts to matter a lot. Hence what I said above:
It's the latter that matters. Recessive disorders will accumulate in families rather than be bred out. This will affect IQ, personality, genetic disorders, etc. I had no idea cousin-****ing was such a profound part of Islamic life until Michael pointed it out. This graph just blew me away:



I learnt something. It happens.