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12-24-2016 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Oh, Allah help me, he's doing it again.

Aye, considering somebody might be trolling on the internet is "conspiracy theorizing and grand narratives" and "hallucinating all kinds of things".

Jesus ****ing Christ.
I'd agree with you if it wasn't for all the other liberal nonsense. You guys believe your own conspiracy theory bull****. "Racist dog whistling", "alt-right = white supremacist", being skeptical of global warming = "big oil"; "systemic racism", "patriarchal oppression". Etc. You're conspiracy and grand narrative nuts. Fox News rednecks on steroids.

We're going to get nuked by Trump because you couldn't keep the stupid in your pants and no one believed you any more.
12-24-2016 , 01:35 AM
Lawl, I was just about to add, "It's gonna get bad for TS here, he can't veer wildly off-topic and rant about cuck this and cuck that."
12-24-2016 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
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I don't understand your 1.5 centuries of history. ...

Dammit, brain fart. Obv meant 1.5 millennia. As in, the beginning of Islam doesn't go that far back.
12-24-2016 , 02:22 AM
Oh man, the ninja-edits are amazing btw.


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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
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So I'm not sure why you think you're playing some trump card here. I simply ignore this when you mention it because it's completely irrelevant and a non-point. I don't understand why you think you're making a meaningful point when you mention the Islamic Golden Age. It has nothing to do with anything and refutes nothing that's been claimed. That's why I don't respond to it - it is of no relevance.

Here's a novel, ground-breaking, atom-splitting idea: Maybe STFU until you do understand? I mean that in the nice way.

Remember, you're a sincere intellectual engaging in honest debate, right?

Every other post of yours goes from the specific idea/point being discussed to the general propaganda of ticking off every anti-Islam box in record time.

Let's look:

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It was understood perfectly. In your madlibs world, you seem not to comprehend that it means absolutely nothing. You actually think you have something here. It's...weird? Perhaps you don't have an overview of how it all fits together.

Islam is a religion of subjugation of all other religions - in fact the Koran exhorts just that:


Basically, non-Muslims have to humbly pay a "tribute" (aka extortion) to their Muslim overlords, or face unending violence. The history of Islam is exactly this. Even the US paid the Jizya to Muslims until the slave-capturing got so unbearable, and reasonable attempts at peace with Muslim barbarians failed so many times, that they invaded with the gunboats into Muslim lands and subdued the barbarian Muslims. This is all laid out quite nicely here. In fact France's troubles with Muslims today can be traced to France's attempts to stamp out child-sex-slave raids in Europe and general piracy coming from the Algeria region, when the Muslims failed to desist in taking slaves despite repeated overtures over decades. This led to forced colonization to quell the practice, and reverse immigration. The descendants of these same people now run children over with trucks in the name of Islam. Times change, but Islam doesn't.

Islam is a sick cult of violence and forced submission - both of women and of non-Muslims. That they distinguish between "non-Muslims likely to convert" and "non-Muslims not likely to convert" means absolutely nothing. I'm not sure why you think it does...

If I'm talking about the Quranic theory of the zakat and the jizya, and the practical application in the early centuries, why on earth would you bring up the Barbary Pirate Slavers of 1000 years later?

And on top of that devote over 1/2 the post to this non-sequitur?

With any other topic that would be truly beyond bizarre, but Islamophobia is normalized.
12-24-2016 , 02:26 AM
"So Jesus was all like, yada yada yada, meek inheriting the earth..."

"BUT WHATABOUT the conquistadors and the Spanish Inquisition!?!?"
12-24-2016 , 02:50 AM
You do understand that it's you who starts the non sequiturs? I'm talking about some aspect of Islamic belief right now and how it affects the world, and you jump in with "BUT THE ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE 1000 YEARS AGO!!" and bizarrely think you've made some great point, when everyone else is like "wtf does that have to do with anything"?

Take the jizya...wtf does that has to do with anything? Or "non-Muslims vs disbelievers" Why even mention it? It's some pointless aside that you think means something. Then when people don't respond to your irrelevant aside, you think you have some killer point. It's equal parts comical and strange.

Anyway, enjoy your madlibs...
12-24-2016 , 05:28 AM
Oh man, Toothsayer actually is dumb. That's... disappointing.
12-24-2016 , 05:34 AM
Like... Wow...

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
... Or "non-Muslims vs disbelievers" Why even mention it? It's some pointless aside that you think means something.

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And the ****ing OP of the thread we're in RIGHT NOW:

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the Muslim idealogy is pretty defined. The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Great example with this truck plowing through a Christmas center. Hundreds of more examples also available... 9/11, Paris, San Bernadino, Pulse Nightclub in Florida, etc. But let's keep calling it the religion of peace lol!

This verse says to fight non-believers "wherever you find them"
http://i.imgur.com/ICbH3vd.png

Another verse that defines Islam, "Fight those who believe not"
http://i.imgur.com/Sf5ohrE.png

source:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa.../violence.aspx

This has obvious Political connections because of the open-border debate and whether or not we should be importing Muslims. We can already see the effects of open borders on Germany, Sweden, and France. Crime and rapes are out of control and the media is covering it up.

Do we want to import a people whose belief system and holy text says to kill all non-believers?
12-24-2016 , 05:36 AM
That's lolwil levels of lol.

Merry Christmas one and all.
12-24-2016 , 06:02 AM
Lul it's too much, TS is getting the tweet treatment.

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
In most countries where Muslims have the majority, they greatly oppress gays, women and non-believers who live in those countries. So I don't think your statement is an accurate one.

I'd agree with the statement "Most Muslims aren't suicidally violent".
More deliciousness:

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
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Actually, there's several hundreds pages of discussion about Muslim ideology, with not a word about race or genes. That's because Muslim ideology - the actual problem here - has nothing to do with either. Cultural first cousin marrying is merely an interesting aside.

You are so desperate to sidestep the real issue - Muslim ideology - that you smear however you can. You're a pathetic person.

But when I bring up Muslim ideology, as in, Quranic theory, TS is all like, "It's some pointless aside that you think means something."
12-24-2016 , 06:08 AM
Like I said months ago, if TS wanted to just say, Radical Islamic Terrorism = BAD, I doubt he'd find any naysayers.

Boo, Radical Islamic Terrorism, booooo!

Cool, we're all in agreement, let's go get lunch.
12-24-2016 , 06:19 AM
So, in light of these lols, my earlier post makes even more sense. Yet, I still didn't think TS would fail like this.

"The book says this!"

"Well, actually, what the book means..."

"Why are we even talking about the book!? Child Rape Of Children!"

Good god.


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Originally Posted by 5ive
The problem these people have is this:

1. They believe ISIS et al are evil. I mean, duh, no argument there. This would be a short discussion.

2. That's not good enough, though. They want to believe Muslim immigrants/refugees and, in turn, simply Muslims, are evil.

3. They can't argue that most Muslims are secret radical Islamists, because duh again, that's obviously not true.

4. So, to tie things together somehow, they need to somehow rewrite a good 1/3 - 2/5 of the history of Islam. This works "better" than saying every modern Muslim is a terrorist sleeper agent, but it still fails miserably as we're only talking about less than 1.5 millennia of history, not 10s of thousands of years. That results in the bull**** spouting we see by TS et al.



I guess there's also a,

5. These historical facts are pointed out to the derpbots, which causes a hard reset, and the cycle starts over.

TS was all like OH HI I FIXED UR IDEOLOGY DISCUSSION


Last edited by 5ive; 12-24-2016 at 06:39 AM.
12-24-2016 , 06:42 AM
5 are you having a discussion with yourself? /you crazy
12-24-2016 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Like... Wow...



And the ****ing OP of the thread we're in RIGHT NOW:
Um, except your very own quote says:

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Originally Posted by 5ive
Non-Muslims who are sympathetic to Islam or wish to convert to Islam (Al-Mu'allafatu Qulūbuhum).
Your very own quote undermines the case you're trying to make.

Islam is a religion of convert or die/endure violence/become a slave/pay extortive tribute (backed up by violence) in the best case. Nothing you've quoted changes that.

That Muslims are temporarily "nice" to those about to convert has nothing to do with anything. The Koran is very clear - convert to Islam or be fought violently until you (at a minimum) are cowed enough to pay permanent protection money. And many people still get killed regardless of protection money, because the Koran commands you to fight and kill those who do things "abhorrent to Allah".

It's as if you can't understand how language works. It's....weird. Is English your second language or something?

I guess you think Muslims are nice people for letting non-Muslims live if they pay extortion money. That we're at this point just shows how depraved Islam is that you'd settle for that as use it as evidence that Muslims are "ok".
12-24-2016 , 11:22 AM
12-24-2016 , 01:38 PM
I put him on ignore when 'debating' him just led to incoherent rambling. If you get jollies out of it, more power to you, but don't expect to have a real conversation with him. He is just here to spew hate.
12-24-2016 , 01:41 PM
I find people's irrationality fascinating. But the ADD is strong in this one. Ignore it is I guess.
12-24-2016 , 01:58 PM
I find your viewpoints very interesting, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
12-24-2016 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
You people call Trump the racist and Bigot, yet you voted for a jew hating bigot for President. Did you see what happened at the UN today? Obama refused to veto condemnation of Israeli settlements.

I hope Trump cuts off funding to the UN.
The weirdist thing to me is the anti-Semitic accusations against Bannon and such.

I mean you have the left favoring Palestine over Jews but now the left is complaining about anti-Semitism?
12-24-2016 , 09:31 PM
Now TS is at least getting somewhere (even though that last paragraph is hella lol) but I can't spend dozens of posts spoon-feeding the arguments to him. This isn't my ****ing job.

But, aye, props to him for going a whole post and mostly staying on topic. It's still muddled thinking whilst assuming the premises, but no mention of Barbary Pirates or Sex Slaves or Pew Polls to be found.


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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Um, except your very own quote says:


Your very own quote undermines the case you're trying to make.

Islam is a religion of convert or die/endure violence/become a slave/pay extortive tribute (backed up by violence) in the best case. Nothing you've quoted changes that.

That Muslims are temporarily "nice" to those about to convert has nothing to do with anything. The Koran is very clear - convert to Islam or be fought violently until you (at a minimum) are cowed enough to pay permanent protection money. And many people still get killed regardless of protection money, because the Koran commands you to fight and kill those who do things "abhorrent to Allah".

It's as if you can't understand how language works. It's....weird. Is English your second language or something?

I guess you think Muslims are nice people for letting non-Muslims live if they pay extortion money. That we're at this point just shows how depraved Islam is that you'd settle for that as use it as evidence that Muslims are "ok".
12-24-2016 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
The weirdist thing to me is the anti-Semitic accusations against Bannon and such.

I mean you have the left favoring Palestine over Jews but now the left is complaining about anti-Semitism?
Zionism is a different ball of wax.
12-25-2016 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Zionism is a different ball of wax.
Ah ok, makes sense I guess. I've pretty much tuned out the whole Israeli/Palestinain issue my entire life. Seems too confusing to follow with no chance of resolution.

So I guess I side with Israel because the people are more civilized. That's not to say that I think Israel and Jews are without fault in the conflict. But I ain't ever visiting Palestine or most other Muslim nations. So I default side with the Jews or Israelites or zionists or whatever.
12-25-2016 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
So I guess I side with Israel because the people are more civilized.
LOL!!! Standard...

Because denying water to tens of thousands is way more civilized than a few dozen executions captured on video.
12-25-2016 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
LOL!!! Standard...

Because denying water to tens of thousands is way more civilized than a few dozen executions captured on video.
In JiggsLand, Israel is worse than ISIS. Amazing.
12-25-2016 , 12:07 PM
Really?Poker related forum,have this kinda s hite thread?

I am not Muslim, nor affiliated to a certain belief,but all religions is teaching peace to all..

PS. I am sure,every word in Alquran quoted is true,but it doesn't mean Muslims or Islam teaching Violence..Like all religions,there is black sheep in it and media makes it, that is Islam..LOL

      
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